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The Ashes 2017/18

MetalMickie said:
With the emphasis on pub-cricket, sorry I meant T20, there is little opportunity for emerging players to develop in the same way as previous generations.

And as the CC is largely condensed into the beginning and end of the season even more games are played on green tops.
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T20 or “pub cricket” as you call it is here to stay and in fact helped the sport become more professional- “Pub Cricket” brings the bums onto the seats to help pay for stuff

Other countries embrace it and actually look to move forward with it and use it as an area to develop players.

There is actually more levels for emerging players to develop - and I’m not sure how back your generations are going but let’s be honest England haven’t really dominated or been at a consistent high level in test at any period than I can remember
 
Liverpoolphil said:
T20 or “pub cricket” as you call it is here to stay and in fact helped the sport become more professional- “Pub Cricket” brings the bums onto the seats to help pay for stuff

Other countries embrace it and actually look to move forward with it and use it as an area to develop players.

There is actually more levels for emerging players to develop - and I’m not sure how back your generations are going but let’s be honest England haven’t really dominated or been at a consistent high level in test at any period than I can remember
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Only two teams have truly dominated Test cricket in the last 50 years.

West Indies in 70's and early 80's and Australia in 90's to 2005.

My point is that if we are to really compete then we need to develop Test cricketers rather than "slap and giggles bitsa players.
 
MetalMickie said:
Only two teams have truly dominated Test cricket in the last 50 years.

West Indies in 70's and early 80's and Australia in 90's to 2005.

My point is that if we are to really compete then we need to develop Test cricketers rather than "slap and giggles bitsa players.
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Yep. Not sure how it can be suggested T20 can be used to develop players in a test environment. Two very different aspects and different skill sets, not all of which are transferable from one to the other. Sadly the county format is a dead duck and I can see it falling away altogether within the next 20-30 years and that cannot be good for cricket as a whole
 
MetalMickie said:
Only two teams have truly dominated Test cricket in the last 50 years.

West Indies in 70's and early 80's and Australia in 90's to 2005.

My point is that if we are to really compete then we need to develop Test cricketers rather than "slap and giggles bitsa players.
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The rankings suggest we do compete at all formats and England do have differing contracts for different players depending on formats and players are tailored towards Test if their abilities aim towards that area. But the “slap” cricket as you keep demeaning it has proven to be extremely successful and has prob saved the game in most countries and counties - it also attracts new people to the game both watching and playing , it makes it more relevant in the modern world , it attracts the sponsors and the money that is used to develop players in all formats.

Smith , Kohli and Warner - just a few names who got their international debuts in the “slap cricket and moved on to tests from there - a couple years for Warner and Kohli
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
it also attracts new people to the game both watching and playing ,
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Very little evidence that any new spectators take any interest in the longer forms of the game and absolutely no evidence to support a claim that T20 has brought new players into Clubs.
 
MetalMickie said:
Very little evidence that any new spectators take any interest in the longer forms of the game and absolutely no evidence to support a claim that T20 has brought new players into Clubs.
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No doubt evidence will arrive but you only have to look around the grounds at any four day game to see how sparsely populated they are, usually by members only and mainly those that have retired. Even when these games roll over (or start) at weekends there is very little appetite from spectators and I agree with you, in that T20 is not growing the game. It may add to other one day gates but as far as the long format game, it does nothing to grow the game
 
So today the pitch suddenly becomes alive with inconsistent bounce and getting movement especially from the cracks - Anderson bowled so much better then in comes England - Stoneman poor movement , Cook - cracking catch , Root - shocking shot , Vince played very well then got a peach. Need the rain and these two to have another big stance.
 
If T10 is genuine, I thought it was a humorous post, then it will be more akin to baseball.

The problem for test cricket is that players can earn far more being a T20 specialist than they can being a test player. Maybe not for Australia and England players but for the rest T20 pays the mortgage and more. No incentive for young players to play test cricket.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
If T10 is genuine, I thought it was a humorous post, then it will be more akin to baseball.

The problem for test cricket is that players can earn far more being a T20 specialist than they can being a test player. Maybe not for Australia and England players but for the rest T20 pays the mortgage and more. No incentive for young players to play test cricket.
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It’s a three day event with matches looking to be done within 90 mins

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.ti...ed-india-timings/amp_articleshow/62095336.cms

Don’t think it will hit T20 levels but certainly will be a bit of fun
 
Lord Tyrion said:
If T10 is genuine, I thought it was a humorous post, then it will be more akin to baseball.

The problem for test cricket is that players can earn far more being a T20 specialist than they can being a test player. Maybe not for Australia and England players but for the rest T20 pays the mortgage and more. No incentive for young players to play test cricket.
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sadly genuine, watch out for F5, T2 and probably Super Over tournaments in the near future. RIP cricket
 
saving_par said:
I'm sure bowlers will find it great fun....
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Therein lies the problem with the short formats.

Cricket ceases to be a fair or absorbing contest between bat and ball with the rules and their interpretation stacked in favour of the batsman.

Everything is geared towards encouraging big hitting as that is what apparently appeals to the "new spectators ".

Fine, just as long as we realise that ultimately ultimately it's to the detriment of the real game.
 
MetalMickie said:
Therein lies the problem with the short formats.

Cricket ceases to be a fair or absorbing contest between bat and ball with the rules and their interpretation stacked in favour of the batsman.

Everything is geared towards encouraging big hitting as that is what apparently appeals to the "new spectators ".

Fine, just as long as we realise that ultimately ultimately it's to the detriment of the real game.
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this is the biggest problem for me, complete and utter dumbing down of sport under the guise of attracting new fans. Does anyone really enjoy watching mis-hits with a bat that is 2 inches thick clearing a 45 yard boundary by 5 yards?

be like increasing the size of the hole in golf lol
 
fundy said:
this is the biggest problem for me, complete and utter dumbing down of sport under the guise of attracting new fans. Does anyone really enjoy watching mis-hits with a bat that is 2 inches thick clearing a 45 yard boundary by 5 yards?

be like increasing the size of the hole in golf lol
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I’m guessing by looking at the crowd sizes and sell outs all over the world people do enjoy watching T20 - it’s maybe not what the purests enjoy but it’s certainly appears the most popular format of the sport.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I’m guessing by looking at the crowd sizes and sell outs all over the world people do enjoy watching T20 - it’s maybe not what the purests enjoy but it’s certainly appears the most popular format of the sport.
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so selling out on the fans of the game who have supported it for 40 years+ to chase money and tv rankings is the way to go?
 
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