Stupid bloody politics!

[freddielong]

One of he big problems the tories have are the families that have always voted Labour not caring about there appalling record or policies, there are thousands of them the "my dad voted labour all his life, and I aint going to start voting tory now" brigade they mostly poulate the industrial cities of the UK.

Gordon Brown wasn't voted in and it doesn't look like he wants to be voted out.

 

[bobmac]

Here you are Freddie, this will cheer you up

 

[freddielong]

Not a big fan of Taylormade but that is a fine club Westwood could have done with that off a couple of tees on the back nine - he certainly wouldn't have been short on 17

 

[Chrimbo]

One of he big problems the tories have are the families that have always voted Labour not caring about there appalling record or policies, there are thousands of them the "my dad voted labour all his life, and I aint going to start voting tory now" brigade they mostly poulate the industrial cities of the UK.

The reverse happens in the rural areas. In our constituency you could put a blue rosette on a pig and it will get elected.

Every general election I like many others feel that they have wasted their vote which is why the system needs to be changed so that every vote counts.

 

[viscount17]

it's pretty simple really - if you get the parties out of the way.

'we' have elected to employ (we pay the b********) a number of people to do a job. Now b****y well sit down and do it! If you can't or won't work together then get the hell out and don't come back.

actually the Liberals have to get a coalition working - this is their one chance and if they fail, they won't be forgiven.

 

[19th]

it's pretty simple really - if you get the parties out of the way.

'we' have elected to employ (we pay the b********) a number of people to do a job. Now b****y well sit down and do it! If you can't or won't work together then get the hell out and don't come back.

actually the Liberals have to get a coalition working - this is their one chance and if they fail, they won't be forgiven.

I agree with your sentiment BUT the LD's have made such a surge in popularity due to the telecasts, not quite converted to seats but many will see going into bed with David Cameron as unfair as they, the person voting, changed their vote from Tory to LD and end up being shafted.

Unless the LDs sell their new stance, to the country, as being the only way forward for the UK 'we did not want it but you left us no choice' and therefore maintain that they have been FORCED into this pact, their credibility will disappear and with another potential election just down the road so will their seats.

 

[HughJars]

One of he big problems the tories have are the families that have always voted Labour not caring about there appalling record or policies, there are thousands of them the "my dad voted labour all his life, and I aint going to start voting tory now" brigade they mostly poulate the industrial cities of the UK.

Gordon Brown wasn't voted in and it doesn't look like he wants to be voted out.

Yes he was. The country voted Labour, he is a Labour MP, and was therefore eligible to be PM. The winning party is the one that chooses the PM, not the electorate.

Anyway, he's gone now, and looks like Labour are trying to do a last minute deal with the libs.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8672859.stm


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Mr Brown announced his intention to quit in a statement in Downing St in which he also said his party was to start formal talks with the Lib Dems.

Clegg always said he wouldn't work with Brown if the Tories got more votes, although he would work with Labour......

He said he had no desire to stay in his position longer than was needed to form a stable government, and that he would ask the Labour Party to set in form the process of a leadership contest.

He said it could be in the interests of the country to form a "progressive" government - possibly in coalition with the Lib Dems - the UK's third largest party.

It emerged earlier that the Lib Dem negotiating team, who have held days of talks with the Conservatives, had also met senior Labour figures in private.

They've used the Tories to force Brown out, wait for an 11th hour deal with Labour now.

 

[haplesshacker]

Just what was the point in the election? However does a deal with who behind closed doors aren't the policies we voted on! To top it off, now that Brown is going it looks like a possible Labour / Lib Dem alliance. Ie the two parties with the least votes. It's all bollocks. (Am I allowed to say that?)

Time to emigrate I think!! But where?

 

[birdieman]

I think the LD's are playing a dangerous game. They are swinging from one big party to the other trying to see what will work out best for them (The LD's). They seem to be forgetting that with only 23% of the popular vote and 50 odd seats they came a very poor third in the election so have the smallest mandate of the 3 main parties for their policies to be followed by government. In that respect thay probably should assist the Conservatives as the largest party, which is what Clegg said they would do if Tories beat Labour.
This playing one side against the other won't endear them to the public as a party that wants to help the UK people, instead they are only trying to help themselves through the luck that the 2 big parties couldn't get a majority.

Clegg is beginning to look too smug imo, he has temporary power which he needs to wield with some modesty.

I think if it comes to another general election (likely) the voting public, especially former Tories who went to LD, will say to hell with that lot and the LD's vote will suffer.

Have to say also that Brown held Labour back, now he's gone if they get a young dynamic English leader their fortunes will rise too.

Brown has too much political baggage and never was a leader in any sense. These politicians just can't help themselves with their quest for power. Power corrupts.

Where this will take us all, goodness only knows!

 

[HughJars]

Just what was the point in the election? However does a deal with who behind closed doors aren't the policies we voted on! To top it off, now that Brown is going it looks like a possible Labour / Lib Dem alliance. Ie the two parties with the least votes. It's all bollocks. (Am I allowed to say that?)

In fairnmess though, after 13 years of Labour, and 3 years of the most unpopular PM since Thatch, an unprecedented financial crash, millions unemployed, an "illegal" war, expenses scandal, after all that, the Tories couldn't win a majority. Are they really what the country wants either?

Oh, and not the parties with the least votes, they were the second and third biggest parties, well ahead of the SNP, PC, Greens, UKIP, EDP, BNP and a few more.

 

[HughJars]

In that respect thay probably should assist the Conservatives as the largest party, which is what Clegg said they would do if Tories beat Labour.

In fairness, he also said that he couldn't negotiaite with Labour if Brown was still leader. Talks open, Brown stands down, you do the maths.

 

[CannyFifer]

you will also find the majority of the country said no to the tories so with Lab/Lib and the others forming a coalition you have the majority of the vote on one side.

 

[birdieman]

you will also find the majority of the country said no to the tories so with Lab/Lib and the others forming a coalition you have the majority of the vote on one side.

Yeah but 6 or 7 parties that had nothing in common before this election - how does that make a coalition? It's not a coalition to help the UK, its just a coalition to keep Conservatives out.

Whichever way this works out a huge number of people are going to feel cheated, especially in England which was massively Conservative. Shifty politicians wheeling and dealing doesn't make for good governement.

 

[madandra]

According to th ITN news the Tories got the most seats they did not get the most votes.


We are doomed !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[birdieman]

Tories 10.7 million, Labour 8.6 million, LibDem 6.8 million.

Tories got 37% of vote this time but no majority, in 2005 labour got only 35% of vote but managed a majority. In that respect Tories have as good a claim to govern as Labour did.

 

[haplesshacker]

Looking at the UK spread of seats, it would appear that England wants the Tories, and Scotland and Wales want Labour. Which brings us neatly to the other thread!!!

Should we all opt for seperate countries then? After all, aren't we different countries when it comes to football, rugby, cricket, darts etc.

 

[drawboy]

Hapless has it spot on, if it wasn't for Scotland and Wales we would have had a massive landslide to the Conservative party and that is a fact. England was virtually blue apart from the traditional Labour strongholds in the north east and west. It would seem that Scotland held off a Torie landslide and handed a very poor third placed Liberal party far more power than it has any right to wield. How the heck can a failure off a party be allowed to choose the next government is totally beyond me.

 

[birdieman]

Drawboy, that's about right.
The Conservatives will struggle in central Scotland (where the bulk of the seats are) for at least another generation and it can all be traced back firstly to Thatchers treatment of the miners and secondly trialling the awful poll tax on Scotland before anywhere else in the UK.
That caused real resentment and bitterness that won't easily be forgotten.
In the 1970's half of Scottish MP's were Tory so it wasn't always teh case that Scotland was anti-Tory. Maggie T did that single handedly in Scotland.
It is quite divided between UK nations as there is a perception up here that there has been a concerted English media attack on Gordon Brown just because he's a Scot.
I can understand fully why English voters would like an English PM especially when Scotland and Wales have their own devolved governments/assemblies but in the end we are all UK citizens.
All very complicated.

 

[JustOne]

Looking at the UK spread of seats, it would appear that England wants the Tories, and Scotland and Wales want Labour.

I don't agree. There are seats that were won by just a few votes, that doesn't mean that everyone wants that party...just the few extra votes that throw the balance.

Tories 10.7 million, Labour 8.6 million, LibDem 6.8 million.

Lib Dem get 6.8M votes but only 57 seats - it's laughable!
The system currently is 100% in favour of those who are already in power... not exactly democratic.

Proportional representaion is the only way to go... they should have done it years ago.

 

[madandra]

Stu, the mines were always going to become extinct but there was no need for the auld bint to scrap the steel industry both north and south of the border. That one act obliterated any chance they had of being elected in Scotland. It is so bad that there is always an uncomfortable silence when anyone says they are 'a Tory'.