Stupid bloody politics!

[JustOne]

I hate politics, I'm surprised I'm even about to post about it but WTF is going on with the election results and why isn't/wasn't there a decent law in place to govern what happens in times of a hung parliament so we don't end up leaderless? Shouldn't Labour just stay in power as the conservatives didn't win?

It seems that the person who had the least votes, Clegg, is now the most powerful man in the country with our entire future in the balance - he may even end up holding the position of deputy prime minister or worse still, chancellor!

How can the weakest party hold all the cards, if they don't like the coservative offer they can go running to Labour, there's no real time frame when all this has to happen either (afaik?)

I heard that there was an offer on the table that the welsh party would back Labour for £300,000,000... sounds like 3rd world politics to me - WTF is going on??

I have some drug money* and 20,000 AK47's if that'll help?

All the while the stock market is crashing. If Cameron doesn't pull his finger out there'll be nothing left to govern...... penny for your thoughts??










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[RGDave]

Shouldn't Labour just stay in power as the conservatives didn't win?

I have little or no political leaning. Hoping this link works, I wonder if all the massive blue areas on the BBC map suggests Labour can stay on.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/

Personally, I'm annoyed I even wasted 10 minutes of my life voting.

I don't know what'll happen.

If it was my country, I'd say have a re-vote in the closest 100 marginals and see if people can make their flippin mind up now they know that a close result actually gets us all nowhere.

 

[Imurg]

Can't see a deal being done. NC wants PR, DC wont give it to him. Any deal that does get struck between NC and DC has to go through 2 votes at parlimentary and executive level - 75% needed to continue and I can't see that happening. GB is just sitting tight and hoping its all going to go away - he's got nothing to bargain with. If the LibDems align themselves with either of the other 2 they'll end up losing face when things go pear-shaped.
So GB will eventually see sense and resign, DC will form a minority government and "rule" for 3-4 months before realising he can't do what he wants to and we end up with another election on 21st October - you heard it here first!
Technically, GB could form a minority govt but he'll get his arse kicked on every vote.
As one of the Commentators said " Britain has spoken - but we don't know what they've said"

 

[birdieman]

Map does look very blue in England I agree but it's not a good reflection on the voting as the labour red areas tend to be in the former industrial cities where population density is higher so the seat areas are much smaller and not seen on the map easily. Think its roughly 50,000 people per seat.
Going by that map SNP and Lib Dem look strongest in Scotland when in fact Labour have by far the most seats there.

The system isn't great because in my seat for example if you're not Tory or Lib Dem it's pretty pointless going to vote. PR does seem fairer in that everybody's vote actually counts but maybe its unworkable in our parliament, I dont know.

 

[rgs]

Coalition governments have been the norm in ROI for the past 20 odd years and most have been successful. The secret is to agree and implement a proper programme for government.

We have operated a PR multi seat system since independence and it has delivered both single party and coalition governments.

 

[nomadpaul]

Here's a fact for you that i heard on the radio yesterday.

If proportional representation had been used in this election , the BNP would have ended up with 40 plus seats apparently !!!

 

[CrapHacker]

Here's a fact for you that i heard on the radio yesterday.

If proportional representation had been used in this election , the BNP would have ended up with 40 plus seats apparently !!!

And that's bad because... ?

 

[Ethan]

Here's a fact for you that i heard on the radio yesterday.

If proportional representation had been used in this election , the BNP would have ended up with 40 plus seats apparently !!!

That is not a fact. It is utterly wrong. The BNP had 1.9% of the national vote, so they would have had 650 x 0.019, or 12 seats.

But that is assuming a stright PR system. The most likely system is STV which doers not have precisely the same effect, so the BNP would have fewer than 12 probably.

Even so, that is no reason not to change the system. Stupid people are allowed to vote for stupid candidates.

 

[CrapHacker]

Here's a fact for you that i heard on the radio yesterday.

If proportional representation had been used in this election , the BNP would have ended up with 40 plus seats apparently !!!

That is not a fact. It is utterly wrong. The BNP had 1.9% of the national vote, so they would have had 650 x 0.019, or 12 seats.

But that is assuming a stright PR system. The most likely system is STV which doers not have precisely the same effect, so the BNP would have fewer than 12 probably.

Even so, that is no reason not to change the system. Stupid people are allowed to vote for stupid candidates.

The BNP have a following. It would be stupid to try and pretend they haven't.

It'd be good for them to have the odd seat, because it might just be enough of a kick up the backside to the 'proper' parties to let them know that they can't treat the electorate like a group of fools.

Sweeping them under the carpet, and having the major parties pretending that having fears about immigration is synonymous with bigotry just shows how far guys like GB have got their heads stuck up their bums.

There is a middle ground between BNP and the rest of British politics. Many of the electorate would like some kind of consideration, and debate made about how to deal with it.

 

[RGDave]

The most likely system is STV

Sexually transmitted voting?

Where do I get it, or do I have to wait another 5 years?

 

[drawboy]

The BNP cannot get into the House of Commons because their policies are too blinkered and narrow. It would be fair to say that Immigration is a concern for many especially in our inner cities who see the true impact on hospitals,schools and housing in their areas. The U.K is too far immersed in Europe for us to just close our borders to members of E.U states whilst U.K workers happily go work in Spain, Greece, Italy etc for the summer or longer and reap the benefits of cross border working.How many of us go on holiday abroad and happily sit in English/Scottish bars in the resorts and yet moan about seeing Polish shops opening up here.It has to work both ways.The real immigration problem for us is the amount of African,and Arabic illegal immigrants coming here who simply have to put one foot on our soil and mention the magic word Asylum. This needs stopping and it can be stopped by a strong government without harming our relations in Europe.The BNP needs solid policies for the economic stability and growth, policies for education,health and infrastructure. Immigration alone will not sway anyone with more than a modicum of common sense. It is 2010 not 1930's Germany.

 

[Ethan]

The BNP cannot get into the House of Commons because their policies are too blinkered and narrow. It would be fair to say that Immigration is a concern for many especially in our inner cities who see the true impact on hospitals,schools and housing in their areas. The U.K is too far immersed in Europe for us to just close our borders to members of E.U states whilst U.K workers happily go work in Spain, Greece, Italy etc for the summer or longer and reap the benefits of cross border working.How many of us go on holiday abroad and happily sit in English/Scottish bars in the resorts and yet moan about seeing Polish shops opening up here.It has to work both ways.The real immigration problem for us is the amount of African,and Arabic illegal immigrants coming here who simply have to put one foot on our soil and mention the magic word Asylum. This needs stopping and it can be stopped by a strong government without harming our relations in Europe.The BNP needs solid policies for the economic stability and growth, policies for education,health and infrastructure. Immigration alone will not sway anyone with more than a modicum of common sense. It is 2010 not 1930's Germany.

Drawboy

I am sure many here, including me, will agree that the BNP spout ignorant racist intolerance and should be kept out by every legal means possible.

But they are a legal party, and so long as they are entitled to field candidates, and people misguidedly vote for them, they should be able to take their seats. I do not se how 1 or 2 BNP MPs makes a damn bit of difference. In fact, it may allow them to expose themselves for what they are rather better.

As you say, it is not 1930s Germany.

 

[drawboy]

Ethan, I am not suggesting excluding them in any way, I started my post by saying 'They cannot get in' etc. This wasn't inferring I do not want them in, it meant they cannot get in because they will not receive sufficient votes due to their blinkered narrow view of their political beliefs, they need to have a wider manifesto than just immigration and if they have then they need to get this over more to the electorate for them to decide. I do not take issue with what party gets mp's into the house of Commons so long as they are voted for fair and square.

 

[Ethan]

Ethan, I am not suggesting excluding them in any way, I started my post by saying 'They cannot get in' etc. This wasn't inferring I do not want them in, it meant they cannot get in because they will not receive sufficient votes due to their blinkered narrow view of their political beliefs, they need to have a wider manifesto than just immigration and if they have then they need to get this over more to the electorate for them to decide. I do not take issue with what party gets mp's into the house of Commons so long as they are voted for fair and square.

Fair enough.

 

[drawboy]

 

[JustOne]

Get a room guys!


"It also emerged that Nick Clegg met Gordon Brown at the Foreign Office to discuss a potential deal".....

Nick frikkin' Clegg!... The most powerful failure in history!

 

[USER1999]

In order for there to be a middle a middle ground, you need extremes. Simples.

 

[drawboy]

It's all a massive waste of money, there is bound to be another election within 6 months. There is too much differences in policy for a coalition to work, well as long as Football head ( missus drawboy's description) is gone that is the main thing.

 

[Yerman]

I like Nick Clegg, I like David Cameron - but which is better, only one way to find out .....

 

[CrapHacker]

I must have missed something over the last two or three years tbh, coz I seem to remember Labour cocking up absolutely everything they touched for the last ten years or so.

And still the Tories didn't manage to get a majority.

How bad does that actually make them ?

Also,

Why didn't the Tories just attack Labour on their past performance when it comes to ;

The reasons we went to war against Saddam.
The failure of the health service
The failure of our education system
The failings in our justice/punishment system
The fears of many over the lack of knowledge about immegration numbers.
The failure to protect the country against a banking system based wholely on greed.
The failure to protect the country against said bankers trying to hold the country to ransom within months of the recession hitting.

And whatever I've missed.

I mean, Tony only got in because the Tories had previously been appaling for 4 or 5 years, having had huge support for donkeys years before that.

Labour haven't got anything right this century, have they ?

And I don't mean that facetiously. If there's been anything good that I've missed, I'd like to understand.