Strikes by non-producing workers, IE doctors, nurses, council employees ETC.

[williamalex1]

Have they worked out how long it will take to recoup the money they're losing all of the time while on strike? also not paying national insurance contributions, which will be deducted from total contributions
I remember being on strike for 17 weeks around 1972/73ish.
As a time-served electrician with the local council, my wage was only £24 per week for a 44-hour week, including a Saturday morning [overtime ]
We eventually got a 5 p an hour rise.
Can anyone work out how long it took to recoup my losses, working the same hours?
While the local authority saved money by not having to pay out any wages to us.

Entirely different from the private sector getting paid for work done by customers.
TIA

 

[PJ87]

Have they worked out how long it will take to recoup the money they're losing all of the time while on strike? also not paying national insurance contributions, which will be deducted from total contributions
I remember being on strike for 17 weeks around 1972/73ish.
As a time-served electrician with the local council, my wage was only £24 per week for a 44-hour week, including a Saturday morning [overtime ]
We eventually got a 5 p an hour rise.
Can anyone work out how long it took to recoup my losses, working the same hours?
While the local authority saved money by not having to pay out any wages to us.

Entirely different from the private sector getting paid for work done by customers.
TIA

They won't lose out that much NI Tho as they will earn over the minimum to get enough in the pot

It's not like they have gone a year unpaid only week or so max

It's difficult to work out as in most these roles they can make the money back by working overtime another time to balance the yearly wage back

 

[williamalex1]

They won't lose out that much NI Tho as they will earn over the minimum to get enough in the pot

It's not like they have gone a year unpaid only week or so max

It's difficult to work out as in most these roles they can make the money back by working overtime another time to balance the yearly wage back

Agreed, but the thing is the longer they stay on strike, the more money the authorities save by not having to pay out wages or some portion of their NI or pension contributions and possibly other benefits.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Agreed, but the thing is the longer they stay on strike, the more money the authorities save by not having to pay out wages or some portion of their NI or pension contributions and possibly other benefits.

Quite a number of those striking doctors will be doing their private work...whilst on strike.

 

[williamalex1]

Quite a number of those striking doctors will be doing their private work...whilst on strike.

That's why we have long waiting lists, it'll probably be the same NHS doctor/consultant specialist you'll pay to see privately.

 

[TimShady]

Quite a number of those striking doctors will be doing their private work...whilst on strike.

Very few junior doctors will be involved in the private sector. Consultants can, but they can’t fill their empty space with private work. That remains empty.

 

[TimShady]

You're entitled to your opinion, as am I.

This isn’t an opinion based thing. As the population has aged and people need more health care for longer, per capita spending has decreased as the cost of living has increased. This obviously leads to inevitable decline in quality and breadth of health care.

(Mod edit, political comments removed)

So no, quite honestly your opinion means nothing here. You don’t understand what you’re talking about.

 

[williamalex1]

This isn’t an opinion based thing. As the population has aged and people need more health care for longer, per capita spending has decreased as the cost of living has increased. This obviously leads to inevitable decline in quality and breadth of health care.

So no, quite honestly your opinion means nothing here. You don’t understand what you’re talking about.

I'm 76 and have used the NHS for most of my life, that's how I feel.
Over the years I've seen 8 of my GPs retire early, all of them under 60.

 

[2blue]

This isn’t an opinion based thing. As the population has aged and people need more health care for longer, per capita spending has decreased as the cost of living has increased. This obviously leads to inevitable decline in quality and breadth of health care.



So no, quite honestly your opinion means nothing here. You don’t understand what you’re talking about.

This is it ^^^^ folk so easily tend to think that folk are just in it for themselves rather than for the good of their profession. Sure this is an 'old world' way of thinking but thankfully many of our Public Service workers think this way. Yes, I know..... The private Sector can't get their heads around this... greedy t&arts they are!!

 

[Hobbit]

I 100% support the right to strike, and I 100% support the docs/nurses strike. Less than inflationary rises for years, and then add in continual erosion of T&C’s. Imagine a sister having to stop back to cover. Is she paid at single rate, time and half or double rate? She’s paid none of those, she is paid at a base rate that bears no reflection on her rate. And when there’s a freeze on overtime she still has to stay back accruing time in lieu. The banked time doesn’t match hour for hour, and when she looks to take time off in lieu she is told no because they’re short staffed. Only so much lieu time can be carried over into the next month, the rest she loses. But she can’t get time off.

It’s not just about pay. It’s about T&C’s and safe staffing levels. Imagine a theatre recovery nurse. There should be 1-2-1 cover as the patient wakes up. 2-3 patients come out of theatre at the same time. Not having 1-2-1 care is dangerous.

All the talk of efficiencies is just a load of horse poo. All that trimming was done donkey’s years ago. It’s on its knees. It’s vastly underfunded and it’s YOUR health that is at risk. Increase the pay to a decent level and the drain of staff leaving might abate.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

(Mod edit, political comments removed)

So no, quite honestly your opinion means nothing here. You don’t understand what you’re talking about.

You need to seriously back off and wind your neck in, cut out the political stuff and avoid insulting other members.

Otherwise we will be having a little chat.

Everyone’s opinion counts, even yours and there are ways to disagree with others that keep the peace

 

[RichA]

Can't imagine doctors will see a huge raft of support if they continue to press for 35%, most other public sectors having settled or been forced to settle for 6-7%.
Once the junior doctors qualify they will never be poor. I'm related to a few. The problems in the NHS are largely down to inefficiency and lack of lower paid healthcare staff, because nobody in their right mind would do what they do for minimum wage + £1.

 

[Dando]

That's why we have long waiting lists, it'll probably be the same NHS doctor/consultant specialist you'll pay to see privately.

I’ve had 4 knees ops all by the same guy - 3 private and 1 nhs

 

[KenL]

Agreed, but the thing is the longer they stay on strike, the more money the authorities save by not having to pay out wages or some portion of their NI or pension contributions and possibly other benefits.

Strikes are not always just about money.

 

[KenL]

That's why we have long waiting lists, it'll probably be the same NHS doctor/consultant specialist you'll pay to see privately.

Are the long waiting lists not because of poor management and not enough doctors and other staff?

 

[PJ87]

Strikes are not always just about money.

Exactly, our next one is pension and job cuts. Also changes to terms

 

[Hobbit]

There are around 75,000 vacancies in the NHS. There’s a workforce of 1.2m. That many vacancies must impact care.

 

[TimShady]

I'm 76 and have used the NHS for most of my life, that's how I feel.
Over the years I've seen 8 of my GPs retire early, all of them under 60.

And I accept how you feel. But you have to realise how you feel and the reality of the situation aren’t the same thing.

 

[TimShady]

You need to seriously back off and wind your neck in, cut out the political stuff and avoid insulting other members.

Otherwise we will be having a little chat.

Everyone’s opinion counts, even yours and there are ways to disagree with others that keep the peace

I apologise for the political comments, I didn’t realise they were quite so forbidden and I felt it important here as it’s a topic that is hard to broach without discussing who makes the decisions for the funding of public sector workers. I will try to walk that line more carefully.

 

[Tashyboy]

It’s a tough decision to make re whether to go out on strike or not, especially if you are a nurse. Nurses since the foundation of the NHS had an unwritten rule that they would not go on strike. Without involving politics. They feel that them and the NHS has been run down over the years. They feel worthless. They feel undervalued. They feel what have they got to lose By going on strike. This is just a couple of years after we were giving them a clap for all they did during COVID.
I don’t think it’s just about money but it is a large part of it.

Would love to hear the thoughts of Ethan on this.