So is Sir Bradley guilty of doping?

If Wiggins is innocent, the easiest way for him to prove it, would be to produce or make available his Medical Records going back to when first 'diagnosed', or indeed go for an examination now.
I understand his Autobiography doesnt mention any 'asthma' at all in his life, which for someone who has 'achieved' so much, you'd think he would have......

I've never liked the guy, always come across as a bit of an arrogant individual, and personally, I feel he's as guilty as hell.
Same with Froome, and very likely half the population of Pro cyclists......its endemic, and as someone who has cycled quite a bit at a Mamil level, the feats of endurance and performance do take some believing I can tell you.

Mo Farah......Tiger Woods.....the list is enormous, all these guys have been linked to some scandal one way or another, where there's money, there's muck, as they say in Yorkshire,.
 
RandG said:
What level was that ?? Conference ?, national ?
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Junior level remember. I played county, Cheshire, and regional, North West, at age levels. Cheshire was a strong hockey county back then, may still be now, and we didn't lose many games over the years. I had a spell of 1 maybe 2 years, 15-17, where a birthday 2 weeks later could have meant another step up. Not to be though, ultimately not good enough and as the game changed as I got older, not fit enough. Had a load of fun though 😁.

Club wise I had contemporaries who did well at Brooklands, late 80's, early 90's, but I didn't have the transport to get there so I played at my local club in lower leagues. As I'm sure you know teams from the SE dominated hockey back then but Brooklands were a brilliant club in Cheshire, their junior section was spot on and it was a real change of the guard time as they were an up and coming club going past the older traditional clubs. It would have been a great place to be, just at the right time. A bit frustrating but that's life. I've lost touch with hockey now so I don't know which clubs are strong or not any more.

Did you play much yourself? There are a few ex hockey lads on here, Liverpoolphil, and one fella, apologies to him as I can't remember his name, who was a number two keeper at a National division team. They both made it higher up the food chain than I did as an adult.
 
While I recognise this is just a load of tosh on a web forum its a pity IMO how some very famous sports personalities have had their names put in print by brave keyboard warriors with absolutely no factual evidence of illegality.

Kangaroo Court reigns.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Junior level remember. I played county, Cheshire, and regional, North West, at age levels. Cheshire was a strong hockey county back then, may still be now, and we didn't lose many games over the years. I had a spell of 1 maybe 2 years, 15-17, where a birthday 2 weeks later could have meant another step up. Not to be though, ultimately not good enough and as the game changed as I got older, not fit enough. Had a load of fun though .

Club wise I had contemporaries who did well at Brooklands, late 80's, early 90's, but I didn't have the transport to get there so I played at my local club in lower leagues. As I'm sure you know teams from the SE dominated hockey back then but Brooklands were a brilliant club in Cheshire, their junior section was spot on and it was a real change of the guard time as they were an up and coming club going past the older traditional clubs. It would have been a great place to be, just at the right time. A bit frustrating but that's life. I've lost touch with hockey now so I don't know which clubs are strong or not any more.

Did you play much yourself? There are a few ex hockey lads on here, Liverpoolphil, and one fella, apologies to him as I can't remember his name, who was a number two keeper at a National division team. They both made it higher up the food chain than I did as an adult.
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I'm guessing you are talking about field hockey ? Of which I know nothing, sorry.
 
I think a lot of folk really don't know what they are commenting on tbh. For me, they did what they did to get the edge, I'm actually ok with that, I'm just slightly at unease with the manner in which they painted themselves as being cleaner than clean.

I still recall reading Armstrongs book years back and how he came through all the cancer to win the tour again, what an inspiration it was, what a read it was and when he finally admitted to being a drug cheat, I, like many many others, was devastated, to me this scenario is totally and completely different.
 
RandG said:
I think a lot of folk really don't know what they are commenting on tbh. For me, they did what they did to get the edge, I'm actually ok with that, I'm just slightly at unease with the manner in which they painted themselves as being cleaner than clean.

I still recall reading Armstrongs book years back and how he came through all the cancer to win the tour again, what an inspiration it was, what a read it was and when he finally admitted to being a drug cheat, I, like many many others, was devastated, to me this scenario is totally and completely different.
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Armstrong took Drugs to enhance his performance and gain an 'edge' to win.....
Wiggins allegedly took drugs to enhance his performance and gain an 'edge' to win.......

What part looks totally and completely different ?
 
If it's within the rules then anything goes. As mentioned - Nicklaus it was who once said we must learn the rules so that we know when we are able to push their use to the very limit whilst remaining within them - and use them to our advantage. I think he said it's worth a couple of shots a round - just knowing the rules properly.

Read the Rules and resolve to play by them at all times. few golfers who do not earn their living from the game know the Rules of Golf, and often inadvertently cheat. Sometimes they cheat themselves by not knowing the rules that work to their advantage

He said the following in the context of a player doing something that he'd be penalised for but claiming that it wasn't deliberate and under the rules it not being deliberate he was not penalised...so thr is honesty and integrity tied into the debate. But the comment applies in general I think.

“I think there are very, very few people who take advantage of the rules in the game and if somebody does take advantage of the rules of the game, move on and make a lesson of it and I think that’s the way we should handle it.”

And hey - look what we find here :)

http://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/videos/rules/5-ways-to-use-golf-rules-to-your-advantage
 
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Main difference is Armstrong got caught taking banned drugs. UK Postal just haven't been caught with anything illegal yet.
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US Postal the team we’re guilty and found out, it wasn’t just Armstrong that was found out. The same was with Festina, and Astana if I remember correctly.
 
Golf is not without inferences of 'performance' supplements -stag horn etc.

If rule breaking has not been proven 'beyond doubt' then the innocent do not deserve to have their names bandied about.
 
Verb to cheat is defined as "Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage".

Nowt to do with breaking rules.

What Team Sky have been doing through use of triamcinolone to supposedly treat medical conditions is not breaking the rules but could be seen as cheating because they have been dosing this medicine at levels higher than required and at opportune times just before races to aid performance so thereby 'acting unfairly in order to gain advanatage' so cheating by definition in the Oxford Dictionary.
I suspect that just about every cycle team 'cheats' in similar ways but technically stays within the rules.

Just pointing out that use of the term cheat is ok to use even if rules haven't been broken.:mad:
 
maxfli65 said:
Verb to cheat is defined as "Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage".

Nowt to do with breaking rules.

What Team Sky have been doing through use of triamcinolone to supposedly treat medical conditions is not breaking the rules but could be seen as cheating because they have been dosing this medicine at levels higher than required and at opportune times just before races to aid performance so thereby 'acting unfairly in order to gain advanatage' so cheating by definition in the Oxford Dictionary.
I suspect that just about every cycle team 'cheats' in similar ways but technically stays within the rules.

Just pointing out that use of the term cheat is ok to use even if rules haven't been broken.:mad:
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Except that 'Cycling' like golf and many activities has chosen create and continuously develop rules to define what is unacceptable. This eliminates the subjectivity that applying the dictionary definition would introduce.
 
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