So is Sir Bradley guilty of doping?

It saddens me to read the report today because i really felt Wiggins would be clean when he won the tour
Of course he and Sky have a right to reply and tell their side of the story,i know this has been done but i mean in response to todays news.

If Wiggins was and Sky were pushing boundaries theres no doubt others on the team were to.

This brings Chris Froome in to the equation because he was actually battering Wiggins on a daily basis i recall,or maybe Froome was way better and clean so Wiggins needed a boost.
 
Would be amazed if Froome was clean. Tested positive for salbutamol, and is another elite cyclist that happens to have terrible asthma (funny that). Elite cycling is extremely stressful on the body and to put in the sort of times that these guys put in at the Tour De France just cannot be possible if clean. Froome's putting in similar times (even surpassing some) to Armstrong who was juiced to the gills on everything he could get his hands on, drugs at the forefront of technology.
 
drdel said:
I agree. In every competition environment particpants push the boundaries - its getting the 'edge'. Take a squint at motor sport, power boat racist, horses and greyhound racing, I'll wager every team is seeking to be flying as close to the rules as possible.

accusing BW is just a failure to recognise reality. He has not broken not the rules of his sport. Sore grapes, methinks
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A few years ago I had a suspected heart attack (it wasn't) but nonetheless I was put on beta-blockers for a while. Now these reduce anxiety and the effect of adrenaline on the heart - and I was thinking - well what is a big issue or golfers looking at a good score? Yes - anxiety, stress and adrenaline pumping - and I did wonder whether my golf under pressure could be improved in a comp if I took beta-blockers - even if I didn't really need them...?
 
^^^ I fear we're searching for the world/people to be 'sin free, virgin and pure' and, unsurprisingly, we'll be disappointed to find it isn't.

Moral and ethics are subjective norms that can vary across different ethnicities/societies: laws and rules are the fixtures. Having different morals or ethics while it may disgust/upset other is not a crime punishment only comes if it breaks our laws.

BW did what he did within the rules so he should not be publically punished or denigrated.
 
drdel said:
^^^ I fear we're searching for the world/people to be 'sin free, virgin and pure' and, unsurprisingly, we'll be disappointed to find it isn't.

Moral and ethics are subjective norms that can vary across different ethnicities/societies: laws and rules are the fixtures. Having different morals or ethics while it may disgust/upset other is not a crime punishment only comes if it breaks our laws.

BW did what he did within the rules so he should not be publically punished or denigrated.
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correct 100% IMO
 
That clown on talk sport is having a go at them now Adrian whatever his name is.

They did What They had to do to win within the boundaries, the problem for Sky and Brailsford is they are now ethically bankrupt as it was them that set the bar, their own bar on ethics.
 
RandG said:
That clown on talk sport is having a go at them now Adrian whatever his name is.

They did What They had to do to win within the boundaries, the problem for Sky and Brailsford is they are now ethically bankrupt as it was them that set the bar, their own bar on ethics.
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Why are they? They haven't broken any rules or had riders failing doping tests.

Back in the 90's, I did a lot of mountain bike racing. In my club there was a very talented nice lad who made it onto a couple of the smaller pro teams. He was invited over to Belgium where after a short while was told "he was good, but to be better he would need to start injecting". The implication was obvious, and he duly gave up.
Sky have upset the Euro cycling teams and these teams cannot stand it that a British based team has come in and taken their winnings and glory.
I can't help but feel the MP's are doing nothing but the bidding of the Pro cycling teams, and looking at the wrong side.
Go look at US Postal as they were, or Festina as they were. Try and find a clean member in those teams instead of trying to throw dirt over someone who hasn't broke the rules.
A couple of years back I was lucky enough to be the apartment of Johan Bruyneel, and was very fortunate to have a good chat with him. It was very enlightening.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Why are they?
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Don't get me wrong, I'm a very keen cycling fan, I've followed the TdF since the late 80s so not a johnny come lately fan. However, [FONT=&quot]they didn't technically break the rules (though they bent them quite a bit), and ii) the drugs we're talking about are widely used without sanction in many other sports. But Sky set themselves up to be whiter than white, and they're clearly at best a very mucky grey. They're not going to lose any titles or medals over this, but it's hard to see how Dave Brailsford's position is tenable. And with this and the on-going Froome saga, we could be looking at the end of Team Sky sooner rather than later.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ethics have a place in this because Team Sky made them have a place in it. They promised zero-tolerance, adhering to the spirit of the rules and not just the letter, and more. They clearly haven't done any of those things.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Also, even without the Jiffy bag it's not just a matter of ethics. The implication is that medical conditions were either exaggerated or falsified in order to obtain TUEs so that performance-enhancing substances could be taken "legally". Deceiving people to get a TUE absolutely is against the rules, and could well see the doctors in question struck off, in addition to any sporting sanctions.[/FONT]
 
RandG said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm a very keen cycling fan, I've followed the TdF since the late 80s so not a johnny come lately fan. However, they didn't technically break the rules (though they bent them quite a bit), and ii) the drugs we're talking about are widely used without sanction in many other sports. But Sky set themselves up to be whiter than white, and they're clearly at best a very mucky grey. They're not going to lose any titles or medals over this, but it's hard to see how Dave Brailsford's position is tenable. And with this and the on-going Froome saga, we could be looking at the end of Team Sky sooner rather than later.

Ethics have a place in this because Team Sky made them have a place in it. They promised zero-tolerance, adhering to the spirit of the rules and not just the letter, and more. They clearly haven't done any of those things.

Also, even without the Jiffy bag it's not just a matter of ethics. The implication is that medical conditions were either exaggerated or falsified in order to obtain TUEs so that performance-enhancing substances could be taken "legally". Deceiving people to get a TUE absolutely is against the rules, and could well see the doctors in question struck off, in addition to any sporting sanctions.
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I can't quite see how someone can be "murky grey." They've either broken a rule or they haven't. Have they broken a rule?
 
Hobbit said:
I can't quite see how someone can be "murky grey." They've either broken a rule or they haven't. Have they broken a rule?
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Have they broken a rule, no, so what's the big deal ? Check every paper and news broadcast and ask that very same question, what's the big deal !
 
RandG said:
Have they broken a rule, no, so what's the big deal ? Check every paper and news broadcast and ask that very same question, what's the big deal !
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You answered the question, they haven’t broken a rule.

Should anyone who uses an energy drink be retrospectively castigated?
 
Blue in Munich said:
Anyone else wondering if these evidence-free allegations by our MP's would have been made if they didn't have the luxury of parliamentary privilege?
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I’ve not looked into the story too much, as not a cycling fan, but I’d like to know what expertise the MP’s have to make their accusations?
 
Hobbit said:
You answered the question, they haven’t broken a rule.

Should anyone who uses an energy drink be retrospectively castigated?
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I think you are missing my point, it's not me that's shouting from the rooftops about having BW dethroned etc etc. all I'm saying is, if you shout from the rooftops that you are whiter than white and it turn out, actually you're not really then, you're going to come on for a lot of criticism.
 
If he’s got asma then he’s not doing anything wrong .
If he hasn’t but is still taking a drug that he physically dosnt need but uses it to gain an advantage he’s cheating.

Mps taking the moral high ground though is laughable but they do have very thick skin.

It just seems to me lately all you have to do is accuse someone you don’t need to prove anything and they are tainted for life.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Why are they? They haven't broken any rules or had riders failing doping tests.

Back in the 90's, I did a lot of mountain bike racing. In my club there was a very talented nice lad who made it onto a couple of the smaller pro teams. He was invited over to Belgium where after a short while was told "he was good, but to be better he would need to start injecting". The implication was obvious, and he duly gave up.
Sky have upset the Euro cycling teams and these teams cannot stand it that a British based team has come in and taken their winnings and glory.
I can't help but feel the MP's are doing nothing but the bidding of the Pro cycling teams, and looking at the wrong side.
Go look at US Postal as they were, or Festina as they were. Try and find a clean member in those teams instead of trying to throw dirt over someone who hasn't broke the rules.
A couple of years back I was lucky enough to be the apartment of Johan Bruyneel, and was very fortunate to have a good chat with him. It was very enlightening.
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a fair assessment, i have to question Why MP's have made these statements, esp as no wrong doing has been proved.
 
My best guess is that the GMC will be going after Dr. Freedman, he will not want to be the fall guy, and then the truth comes out and even the biggest sky fanboys will have to admit they are wrong.

Circumstantial evidence was enough to bring Lance down who to this time still failed less drug tests that Froome.
 
Wilson said:
I’ve not looked into the story too much, as not a cycling fan, but I’d like to know what expertise the MP’s have to make their accusations?
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You and me both. Like you not a cycling fan per se but have enjoyed the British domination of the Tour in recent years. What do these MP's know about it and even if they have called in "experts" this seems a distinctly one sided account of affairs which seems from a distance designed to discredit Wiggins and Team Sky regardless
 
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