So is Sir Bradley guilty of doping?

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Seems the knives are out for Sir Bradley Wiggins;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37456623

No one actually appears to be directly calling him out, but they aren't painting a pretty picture, which is a great shame whichever way it falls; if he did, then cycling & Team Sky in particular are back under the microscope, if he didn't them his legacy & cycling will still be tainted by the allegations.
 
Surely they are already under the microscope? So many lies "no TUEs for allergies", "no needles" etc. Sky showing their "whiter than white" image is just a PR stunt, imo.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Seems the knives are out for Sir Bradley Wiggins;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37456623

No one actually appears to be directly calling him out, but they aren't painting a pretty picture, which is a great shame whichever way it falls; if he did, then cycling & Team Sky in particular are back under the microscope, if he didn't them his legacy & cycling will still be tainted by the allegations.
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I hope not.

if he did then pro cycling again will again be going backwards towards the lance Armstrong days.
 
Lincoln Quaker said:
I hope not.

if he did then pro cycling again will again be going backwards towards the lance Armstrong days.
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As do I. Unfortunately for him his detractors have done just enough to strongly infer it without actually accusing him. If he defends the "allegation" then assumption will be that he has something to hide, if he doesn't then the smell lingers. Either way he loses.
 
If you look in to it, it's become very hard to make a case that many top level athletes in any sport are clean. I'm now of the mindset that they are all at it, and I'd go as far to stay that all elite level sport has a doping problem.

I'm not an expert by any stretch but all the reading up on it that I have done, and with these further leaks coming out it seems pretty clear to me.
 
The timing of when he was taking these TUE's is what look dodgy, along with his saying in books that he was really healthy in 2012 so why did he need the steroid TUE's, few questions there. Best let him comment first I suppose but it seems that almost everyone in top UK Olympic sports has an excuse to take something that is otherwise on the banned list. Easy propaganda for the Russians who were banned from Rio to say...see it's not just us!
 
maxfli65 said:
The timing of when he was taking these TUE's is what look dodgy, along with his saying in books that he was really healthy in 2012 so why did he need the steroid TUE's, few questions there. Best let him comment first I suppose but it seems that almost everyone in top UK Olympic sports has an excuse to take something that is otherwise on the banned list. Easy propaganda for the Russians who were banned from Rio to say...see it's not just us!
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Yup to all of that, if what Bradley took was genuine. Then he should have no problems explaining the whats and whys. For a doctor to come out with this is not good. Why has it only come out now. What I cannot get my head around is why any sort of steroid is allowed in any sport. That in itself opens up the door to miss use.
 
It's the exact timing of the taking of the drugs that arises the most suspicion especially when it doesn't appear to have been taken at other times. These key times, with the drugs ability to reduce fatigue smells so wrong. However Wiggins is now in a classic catch 22 and if he says nothing he's labelled a cheat by some anyway and anything he says and their shouts of "he's protesting too much, he must have something to hide, he's guilty".

I'm not convinced Sky or any team are totally clean and perhaps never have been and while Sky have (I think) made token efforts to lose drug takers off the team I wonder how much of a blind eye they've turned with their star names. It makes me think cycling is no further forward than it was after Armstrong was busted. Out of interest, would the testing in a world championship or olympic track event be more intense and rigorous than a road racing even like the Tour de France or in theory should they be equally robust
 
HomerJSimpson said:
It's the exact timing of the taking of the drugs that arises the most suspicion especially when it doesn't appear to have been taken at other times. These key times, with the drugs ability to reduce fatigue smells so wrong. However Wiggins is now in a classic catch 22 and if he says nothing he's labelled a cheat by some anyway and anything he says and their shouts of "he's protesting too much, he must have something to hide, he's guilty".

I'm not convinced Sky or any team are totally clean and perhaps never have been and while Sky have (I think) made token efforts to lose drug takers off the team I wonder how much of a blind eye they've turned with their star names. It makes me think cycling is no further forward than it was after Armstrong was busted. Out of interest, would the testing in a world championship or olympic track event be more intense and rigorous than a road racing even like the Tour de France or in theory should they be equally robust
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Think its the same testing intensity and robustness for worlds, tours de france/giro d'italia etc as Olympics, pretty sure its down to each sports governing body (UCI for cycling), to organise and control doping tests. That now famous Irish journalist was asking all the pertinent questions about Armstrong long before his bust but was conveniently discredited at the time. Cycling is rife with doping, one of those sports along with athletics where it really does make a massive difference in performance and recovery.
Wiggins could be in bother, record tarnished already imo.
 
maxfli65 said:
Think its the same testing intensity and robustness for worlds, tours de france/giro d'italia etc as Olympics, pretty sure its down to each sports governing body (UCI for cycling), to organise and control doping tests. That now famous Irish journalist was asking all the pertinent questions about Armstrong long before his bust but was conveniently discredited at the time. Cycling is rife with doping, one of those sports along with athletics where it really does make a massive difference in performance and recovery.
Wiggins could be in bother, record tarnished already imo.
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I'd like to disagree but sadly I fear you are right.
 
The whole TUE system is broken and open to abuse. If your own team doctor can prescribe you anything then it isn't right. Maybe being healthy on the day should be part of being competitive, not a right which on can maintain with any drug you want. It's not generating a level playing field as they claim, its creating a huge advantage.

Coincidentally, a lot of these guys are prescribed a steroid for asthma which I am taking for another thing. When asking my doctor if I will have a shot at winning the London marathon she said that I won't be able to run the marathon. Take up something else, like golf. Here I am.
 
Tashyboy said:
Yup to all of that, if what Bradley took was genuine. Then he should have no problems explaining the whats and whys. For a doctor to come out with this is not good. Why has it only come out now. What I cannot get my head around is why any sort of steroid is allowed in any sport. That in itself opens up the door to miss use.
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Justin Rose and Charley Hull have also used TUEs. As for why it's come out then the Russian hackers have released these as revenge for Russian athletes getting banned from the Olympics.
 
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Tashyboy said:
Yup to all of that, if what Bradley took was genuine. Then he should have no problems explaining the whats and whys. For a doctor to come out with this is not good. Why has it only come out now. What I cannot get my head around is why any sort of steroid is allowed in any sport. That in itself opens up the door to miss use.
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Exactly if taking this drug was the right thing to do and prescribing it, is what any Dr would have done then he has no questions to answer, I fear that this is not the case though.
 
I take a steroidal based inhibitor for my asthma. Does that mean I can't play in the monthly medal.
What's he supposed to do. Risk his life ?
Russian state sponsored hacking for propaganda purposes. Seams to be working though. :rolleyes:
 
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