Sir Nigel Farage?

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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
As her ultimate aim is independence for Scotland then if you wish to call that a fracture then yes - she is. But IMO the damage that the EU referendum with NF at the forefront has done and will continue to do has created a much more divisive fracture right across the UK - across all demographics.
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Even more than taking one of the 4 countries out of the UK?
 
delc said:
Even allowing for getting out of the Common Agricultural Policy, which has at least kept us supplied with plenty of food and wine, and kept farmers in business, any cost savings from cheaper food from outside the EU will be wiped out by the post referendum fall in the value of the Pound!
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The CAP had kept food prices artificially high and in many cases paid farmers for doing nothing with their fields while ignoring the plight of other farmers, particularly dairy, who are at the mercy of the supermarkets and facing bankruptcy. In the 21st century when we still have people in the world starving, the CAP is a disgrace. It is a fine example of how the EU intervenes markets with disastrous results. The very fact that you cite that it had kept us supplied with wine is the perfect example of how utterly deplorable and superficial the policy is. If vine growing is included in CAP (and I am not sure if it is) then that just sums it up. As far as I am aware you do not need wine to survive and just ask yourself, which countries are the biggest wine producers in the EU?
You also have no knowledge on the state of the currency markets once the U.K. leaves the EU so your claim that a weak pound will more than wipe out any cost savings on food outside the EU is pure speculation. We are talking about currency rates in more than 2 years time.
 
Sweep said:
Farage will of course trash TM. She is the leader of an opposing political party. It's in his interests to put as much pressure on her as possible to deliver the Brexit he wants.
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So leaving the EU is not about you, me and the rest of the Country it's about HIM and what
HE wants,
Thanks for clarifying :thup:
 
pauldj42 said:
So leaving the EU is not about you, me and the rest of the Country it's about HIM and what
HE wants,
Thanks for clarifying :thup:
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What???
Did you miss it? We had a referendum to establish what the people wanted. The British people voted to leave the EU.
 
Sweep said:
What???
Did you miss it? We had a referendum to establish what the people wanted. The British people voted to leave the EU.
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Not all voted to leave, I did, but I still want the best outcome for ALL, why is that so difficult to grasp, the Tories won the GE I'd still expect them to look after everyone and not just those who voted Tory.
 
pauldj42 said:
Not all voted to leave, I did, but I still want the best outcome for ALL, why is that so difficult to grasp, the Tories won the GE I'd still expect them to look after everyone and not just those who voted Tory.
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Everyone would hope for the best outcome for all. Me, you and even Nigel Farage. However we may disagree on what the best outcome is and why certain outcomes are better than others.
 
Sweep said:
Everyone would hope for the best outcome for all. Me, you and even Nigel Farage. However we may disagree on what the best outcome is and why certain outcomes are better than others.
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That's life though, we don't always get everything we want and have to consider compromise.
 
Interesting listening to the daily Nigel Farage on LBC yesterday - discussing EU relations with Russia. He loves the debate that guy - indeed the trailers for his prog has him telling us to 'take him on if we are brave enough'. However he does not seem to like it when he is being seriously challenged by someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

So yesterday evening talking about the how, in his view, the EU have pushed Russia into their actions in Ukraine and that tyhe EU poses more of a security risk to Britain than Russia - a Ukranian comes on and strongly refutes that notion, explaining what is going on in Ukraine and what most Ukranians fear of Russia - and why.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/ukrainian-caller-farage-russia-backing/

And you could tell Farage did not like this one little bit and though he was strong in repeating his views he ended up trying to speak over the caller; in the end fortuitously having to go to an ad break. And guess what...immediately on return he has a load of tweets and texts from (British) listeners lined up attacking the views of the caller and supporting Farage. Nice one Nige.

Loving NFs prog. Worth a listen - really. Am I getting to rather like the guy for his b***s?

But please - no knighthood or peerage
 
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Did I really see a post where someone defended CAP? :eek:. Wow. Apart from farmers who did nicely out of it, we are really giving Prince Charles subsidies!, I have never heard anyone think CAP was defendable.
 
Farage talking about work; immigrants and immigration control.

Seems like there is some appetite for employers in future being able to advertise vacancies including a statement such as 'Only holders of a British Passports Need Apply' - and would support changes to employment and equality law to support this.

Interesting

I also read today that a possible change is extending the £1000 charge employers are subject to when employing non-EU residents (didn't know about that) to EU residents.

Farage only says what his final conclusion on the subject matter he discusses at the end of his programme. I wonder what that will be. But he certainly loves Europe and the World.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Interesting listening to the daily Nigel Farage on LBC yesterday - discussing EU relations with Russia. He loves the debate that guy - indeed the trailers for his prog has him telling us to 'take him on if we are brave enough'. However he does not seem to like it when he is being seriously challenged by someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

So yesterday evening talking about the how, in his view, the EU have pushed Russia into their actions in Ukraine and that tyhe EU poses more of a security risk to Britain than Russia - a Ukranian comes on and strongly refutes that notion, explaining what is going on in Ukraine and what most Ukranians fear of Russia - and why.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/ukrainian-caller-farage-russia-backing/

And you could tell Farage did not like this one little bit and though he was strong in repeating his views he ended up trying to speak over the caller; in the end fortuitously having to go to an ad break. And guess what...immediately on return he has a load of tweets and texts from (British) listeners lined up attacking the views of the caller and supporting Farage. Nice one Nige.

Loving NFs prog. Worth a listen - really. Am I getting to rather like the guy for his b***s?

But please - no knighthood or peerage
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I can see you are warming to him.
Just look at how far you have come in just a week!
You might be saying no knighthood now, but what about this time next week? :)
Fair play to you though Hogie. At least you are giving him a fair hearing :thup:
 
Sweep said:
I can see you are warming to him.
Just look at how far you have come in just a week!
You might be saying no knighthood now, but what about this time next week? :)
Fair play to you though Hogie. At least you are giving him a fair hearing :thup:
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Your approval is a very welcome accolade Sir! I shall treasure it today - whilst I consider how I can best wind you up again (kidding :) ) :thup:

NF not on this evening. I will almost miss him...
 
Oh Nigel - what were you doing yesterday evening? A whole hour asking for callers view on the future of the EU, and dissing Juncker (especially) , Barnier, Tusk and Verhofstadt. And of course many callers predict chaos and collapse of the EU. Great - errr...no - surely? Collapse of the EU would be very bad for the UK economy.

Anyway Nigel - why the focus on the EU rather than Brexit? Art50 is triggered - we are on our way - you and your ilk should surely be gleefully singing I'm on my way from misery to happiness today and not be bothered at all about the EU. Unless that is - a possible collapse of the EU is the main upside of leaving the EU - and so let's not focus on the difficulties ahead and that are already being presented to us.

Poor show Nige. Expressing gleeful schadenfreude is not that nice a personal characteristic
 
Dont concur with so many of Farage's views politically but you have to say UKIP are nothing without him, their only MP is dropping his association with them and the new leader has none of Nigel's charisma or charm. Farage has acheived what he wanted to politically as have UKIP now so expect both to drop off the radar quickly.
 
MegaSteve said:
There was me thinking it was becoming universally agreed Nige is so yesterdays man...

Yet Hogie, you seem still seem obsessed with him :confused:...
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Not according to his seemingly rather large and wide fan base. And he get's one hour four times a week to spout his stuff - would be interesting to see what his RAJAR figures are.

My other main LBC buddy James O'Brien is also a keen listener, as what Farage spouts seems to come in to him the following days and appear in the Daily Mail - though neither O'Brien nor myself listen to the nightmare that is Katie Hopkins - she really is beyond the pale.

I don't think Farage is going away...
 
Farage isn't going anywhere.
I may be wrong but I don't think Carswell and Farage were best mates and I would guess Carswell would have gone even if Farage had remained leader.
Farage speaking about the collapse of the EU is not from the perspective that it would be a good thing in itself but rather that the UK is better off well clear of the EU if it should collapse.
 
Sweep said:
Farage isn't going anywhere.
I may be wrong but I don't think Carswell and Farage were best mates and I would guess Carswell would have gone even if Farage had remained leader.
Farage speaking about the collapse of the EU is not from the perspective that it would be a good thing in itself but rather that the UK is better off well clear of the EU if it should collapse.
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...and for some that it the best reason for leaving the EU - that the EU might collapse sometime in the future, ah well. If that's what you want - risk the UK economy and social cohesion on the possibility that the EU might collapse.
 
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