Sir Nigel Farage?

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Sweep said:
I don't listen to LBC. You do.
I am pleased you agreed with almost everything he said. I also hope it helped debunk the rabid reports of what a monster he is.
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He basically trashed Theresa May - each day he poses a single question and puts his view on it and takes calls on it,

You should maybe try listening to LBC sometime, try Katie Hopkins - but most any of the hosts will do - and you'll hear sort of dangerous and lunatic xenophobic rubbish spouted by some Leave voters that strikes depair and fear into my heart
 
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Sweep said:
She is doing more to fracture the UK than anyone. Surely you can see that?
You didn't answer my question on if she had won, would she be offering any compromises?
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As her ultimate aim is independence for Scotland then if you wish to call that a fracture then yes - she is. But IMO the damage that the EU referendum with NF at the forefront has done and will continue to do has created a much more divisive fracture right across the UK - across all demographics.
 
maxfli65 said:
We buy £290B worth annually from EU and sell them back roughly £220B worth. That £220B is 44% of our total exports (80% of which is services rather than physical goods) and the £290B is 53% of our imports.
Shows how important the EU market is to us (more to us than them) and we are in a large trade deficit with them. That's not a strong position to start negotiating really. Some interesting breakout of our trade balance with separate EU countries in image below, worryingly poor deficit with Germany, the rest in red perhaps not so bad but still not great.

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Others would suggest that it's a very strong position!

Remember that a 'trade deficit' means that we buy more than we sell! So it's in those countries interests to continue to sell to us, even if it may not be an enormous percentage of their overall trade - though UK is Germany's 2nd or 3rd most important 'customer'!
 
maxfli65 said:
We buy £290B worth annually from EU and sell them back roughly £220B worth. That £220B is 44% of our total exports (80% of which is services rather than physical goods) and the £290B is 53% of our imports.
Shows how important the EU market is to us (more to us than them) and we are in a large trade deficit with them. That's not a strong position to start negotiating really. Some interesting breakout of our trade balance with separate EU countries in image below, worryingly poor deficit with Germany, the rest in red perhaps not so bad but still not great.

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Your thinking is rather confused on this matter. Countries that sell more to us than we sell to them would be hit the hardest by trade barriers. It's not a level playing field either as your graph shows, countries like Germany, Spain, France etc sell huge amounts to the UK and will be hit very hard by any downturn in sales. Also when out of the EU we will have the ability to trade with the rest of the world on terms not controlled by the EU. Many world prices are lower than in the EU so many items like food could become cheaper. The EU is a protectionist organisation and keeps prices artificially high at the cost to the consumer.
 
SocketRocket said:
So the Bigots weren't Bigots before and were made Bigots by Nigel. I hear people suggesting he is a liar, that he is a racist and so on but cant see evidence to support these allegations, surely they are not bigoted opinions or hate crimes being used against him are they.
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
No - but he has wound them up and given them free rein to vent their pent up bile
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SocketRocket said:
Some evidence of this would help to support that view.
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Oh for goodness sake - how about the death of Jo Cox and just try listening to LBC phone-ins and you'll hear it just every single day.

And I'll add that those who phone in are not usually actually the bigots - they are those who have believed what they have been told about immigrants and feel able and free to express their views on all the problems they subsequently believe are caused by immigration. So if these are ordinary worried folks - your real bigots (they do exist) are having a field day.
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SocketRocket said:
So Nigel Farage was responsible for the death of Joe Cox was he. I think that's a very low comment for you to make and to be honest I am surprised you made it. In your opinion he is responsible for the mind set of a man obviously suffering with mental health issues.

You seem to think what ever LBC phone ins receive are the workings of Farage then. Maybe you can enlighten me on exactly what he has said that makes him personally responsible for that.

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I see you have added some more rantings since I answered. Farage has said we need a controlled immigration system, maybe you can tell us how that has fueled a racist movement.
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
About the death of Jo Cox - You know very well that that is not what I said and in fact it is beneath you to suggest I did. But I'm not surprised as I guessed what I said would be deliberately misinterpreted.

And I'm actually not going to bother trying to prove to you that, by their statements and insinuations, Farage and his UKIP cronies have convinced so many that immigration is 'the root of all evil' and have wound up the bigots and enabled them to voice their toxic opinions. I'm just not.
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Just look through these posts and you did indeed say he was responsible for her death. I would say it's below you to have suggested it and pretty gutless to deny it.
 
SocketRocket said:
Just look through these posts and you did indeed say he was responsible for her death. I would say it's below you to have suggested it and pretty gutless to deny it.
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oh you do wriggle. I do wish that you'd stop avoiding a conclusion that has been reached by many more than just I. If you want me to say rthat NF was NOT responsible for the death of Jo Cox - then I will - NF did not kill Jo Cox.
 
Hogan & Socket

Can we stop the point scoring please, its getting tedious to read and is putting off other posters

agree to disagree and move on

Thank you
 
therod said:
it's the obvious sexual tension that I find off putting. Get a room chaps!!:o
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I am sure most of us can be trusted to make up our own minds with regards to the pissing contest of these two guys.
Do not think it requires an intervention from a moderator .
The more they argue the less most of us will give credence to their boring posts.
 
dewsweeper said:
I am sure most of us can be trusted to make up our own minds with regards to the pissing contest of these two guys.
Do not think it requires an intervention from a moderator .
The more they argue the less most of us will give credence to their boring posts.
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I think its nice when two fellas realise their true feelings, especially later on in life....you can't live a lie
 
therod said:
it's the obvious sexual tension that I find off putting. Get a room chaps!!:o
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therod said:
I think its nice when two fellas realise their true feelings, especially later on in life....you can't live a lie
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therod said:
Always knew you were a 'wrong un' !!!

What's northern for voyeur??? ;)
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Dearest Rodster, even your name sends a little shiver. You owe me half a cup of coffee, that went over the keyboard.
 
SocketRocket said:
Your thinking is rather confused on this matter. Countries that sell more to us than we sell to them would be hit the hardest by trade barriers. It's not a level playing field either as your graph shows, countries like Germany, Spain, France etc sell huge amounts to the UK and will be hit very hard by any downturn in sales. Also when out of the EU we will have the ability to trade with the rest of the world on terms not controlled by the EU. Many world prices are lower than in the EU so many items like food could become cheaper. The EU is a protectionist organisation and keeps prices artificially high at the cost to the consumer.
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Even allowing for getting out of the Common Agricultural Policy, which has at least kept us supplied with plenty of food and wine, and kept farmers in business, any cost savings from cheaper food from outside the EU will be wiped out by the post referendum fall in the value of the Pound!
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
He basically trashed Theresa May - each day he poses a single question and puts his view on it and takes calls on it,

You should maybe try listening to LBC sometime, try Katie Hopkins - but most any of the hosts will do - and you'll hear sort of dangerous and lunatic xenophobic rubbish spouted by some Leave voters that strikes depair and fear into my heart
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I suspect it's only rubbish in your opinion because you disagree with it. Doubtless there are a few loons seeking their 15 mins of fame but are all the Remain callers making sensible and rational points?
Farage will of course trash TM. She is the leader of an opposing political party. It's in his interests to put as much pressure on her as possible to deliver the Brexit he wants.
 
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