Sir Nigel Farage?

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Sweep said:
There is a major difference. Sturgeon lost and is in a minority. Farage won and is in a majority. Sturgeon is pleading for a compromise because she lost. Do you really think she would be offering any kind of compromise if she had won??? Have you ever heard the term "soft Indy" or anything like it?
Farage on the other hand cannot offer a compromise because if he does the remainers and those like you who continually fail to accept a democratic decision will be all over it and turn Brexit (the will of the people decided by democratic process) into something so soft it would not resemble in any way what the people have voted for.
No-one voted for a compromise. No-one voted for "soft Brexit". The term itself is something dreamed up by remoaners since the referendum result was announced in an effort to derail as far as is possible that which the British people have voted for.
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She is looking for, and offering, a compromise as she has a responsibility to her electorate. She is not a UK politician. Her electorate is Scotland. But she recognises that the need for compromise is UK-wide else we (the UK) will remain a fractured country with damaged - potentially disintegrating - social cohesion.
 
SocketRocket said:
But most of the immigrants coming through Europe were young single males. I dont believe he mentioned anything about stealing anyones council house or job but he did say enough is enough and it was, just ask people in Germany, Sweden, Hungary, Austria etc if you dont believe him.
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most but not exclusively which makes the poster a piece of propaganda IMO.
I would never argue that unchecked immigration is a good thing, mainly for the damage and strain (real, imagined or otherwise) it places on the communities in situ. My point is that Nigel, will exploit and seek to widen division. His politics are of fear rather than inclusion.

the german example is often quoted, immigration there has affected the fabric of society but with the lowest birth rate of a 1st world country (and maybe by default the world) how else to secure a future work force, without immigration. Nigel & his buddies on the right will promote the negative, without referencing the necessity. (different thread maybe)
 
I still dont see how this compromise exists. I wish some one would enlighten me.
The winning vote does not want free movement of people from the EU.
Free (well, cheap at 260m net a week) access to the EU requires freedom of movement.
How does any one propose a compromise?
 
Sweep said:
There is a major difference. Sturgeon lost and is in a minority. Farage won and is in a majority. Sturgeon is pleading for a compromise because she lost. Do you really think she would be offering any kind of compromise if she had won??? Have you ever heard the term "soft Indy" or anything like it?
Farage on the other hand cannot offer a compromise because if he does the remainers and those like you who continually fail to accept a democratic decision will be all over it and turn Brexit (the will of the people decided by democratic process) into something so soft it would not resemble in any way what the people have voted for.
No-one voted for a compromise. No-one voted for "soft Brexit". The term itself is something dreamed up by remoaners since the referendum result was announced in an effort to derail as far as is possible that which the British people have voted for.
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Try reading or listening to what Theresa May has said yesterday in response to the commentary on her Sunday interview on Sky - the interview the reporting of which caused the £ to drop by more than 1%. her words were misinterpreted and misreported she claims. On Sunday she said...

Often people talk in terms as if somehow we are leaving the EU but we still want to kind of keep bits of membership of the EU. We are leaving. We are coming out. We are not going to be a member of the EU any longer. So the question is what is the right relationship for the UK to have with the European Union when we are outside. We will be able to have control of our borders, control of our laws.

OK fair enough - that's clear. I think. And so this was reported as May dashing post-Brixit single market hopes - that it looks like a 'hard Brexit' is on the cards. But May was not happy with this - and so yesterday we hear:

I’m tempted to say the people who are getting it wrong are those who print things saying I’m talking about a hard-Brexit. I don’t accept the terms hard and soft Brexit. What we are doing is we are going to get an ambitious, good, best possible deal for the United Kingdom in terms of trading with and operating within the single European market. It will be a new relationship because we won’t be members of the EU any longer

So the UK will remain part of the EU single market. This will be an excellent outcome if she can pull it off, as we know that immigration control is a red line for her - and free movement is a red line for the EU.

Is this a 'soft' Brixit; is it a 'compromise', or is it a full / hard Brexit - I now don't know what it is.

What I do now know is what Nigel Farage thinks on May and her recent utterances/silences

And btw - lest you have forgotten - Leave won the vote and we are leaving the EU. We 'remoaners' can't derail this despite what you seem to think. Though if you think we can then please tell me and I'll get on to my MP.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Being a catalyst for something momentous (which leaving the EU is) does not in any way confer any rights of knighthood. This is especially the case when that momentous event is, and will probably continue to be, as divisive, toxic and damaging to social cohesion in the country as Brexit is and will be. Nothing to do with whether I dislike the guy or not.
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More merit to deserve a Knighthood than any number of others who have received one.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
About the death of Jo Cox - You know very well that that is not what I said and in fact it is beneath you to suggest I did. But I'm not surprised as I guessed what I said would be deliberately misinterpreted.

And I'm actually not going to bother trying to prove to you that, by their statements and insinuations, Farage and his UKIP cronies have convinced so many that immigration is 'the root of all evil' and have wound up the bigots and enabled them to voice their toxic opinions. I'm just not.
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About the death of Jo Cox, that is what you said. Nothing was deliberately misinterpreted. Yet more back tracking.

You are not going to bother trying to prove that Farage have convinced immigration is the root of all evil, because you can't. You just can't.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I listened to the Nigel Farage show - did you? In fact I agreed with a lot of what he said - in fact I agreed with almost everything he said. I'll be interested on your take on what he discussed.
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I don't listen to LBC. You do.
I am pleased you agreed with almost everything he said. I also hope it helped debunk the rabid reports of what a monster he is.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
She is looking for, and offering, a compromise as she has a responsibility to her electorate. She is not a UK politician. Her electorate is Scotland. But she recognises that the need for compromise is UK-wide else we (the UK) will remain a fractured country with damaged - potentially disintegrating - social cohesion.
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She is doing more to fracture the UK than anyone. Surely you can see that?
You didn't answer my question on if she had won, would she be offering any compromises?
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I take it you just ignore the daily racist homophobic posts and death threats aimed at the first minister from the 'angry white men'.

Thankfully you see very little of that on the Nationalist sites, they tend to use reasoned arguments and easy to find humorous irony instead.
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
Is it only white men who make these posts and threats?
Did Farage ask these people to write them?
Is Farage responsible for every racist thing that happens in the UK now?
Has the First Minister had a word with Sir Nigel and asked him to stop?
 
How about......

UK - "we will be controlling immigration in whatever way we see fit. We will be happy to offer companies in the EU the chance to trade tariff free with the 5th largest economy in the world. But if you decide to impose tariffs on our goods then we will have no choice but to do the same to your goods"
 
ColchesterFC said:
How about......

UK - "we will be controlling immigration in whatever way we see fit. We will be happy to offer companies in the EU the chance to trade tariff free with the 5th largest economy in the world. But if you decide to impose tariffs on our goods then we will have no choice but to do the same to your goods"
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Please add (to your great wording) "or to buy the equivalent product in a different non EU country tarrif free"
 
chrisd said:
Please add (to your great wording) "or to buy the equivalent product in a different non EU country tarrif free"
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But you can't get Camembert and numerous other goodies from outside France!:o

It's going to be far easier for EU to source their imports elsewhere than the UK than it will be for the UK to source its imports from outside the EU - distance and time and associated costs/perishability being the main reasons.

Getting into some kind of standoff over tariffs will end up with us being the losers, not EU.

UK is a diddy little collection of nations now, days of Empire and world influence are long gone, unfortunately the arrogance hasn't.:mad:
 
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maxfli65 said:
But you can't get Camembert and numerous other goodies from outside France!:o

It's going to be far easier for EU to source their imports elsewhere than the UK than it will be for the UK to source its imports from outside the EU - distance and time and associated costs/perishability being the main reasons.

Getting into some kind of standoff over tariffs will end up with us being the losers, not EU.

UK is a diddy little collection of nations now, days of Empire and world influence are long gone, unfortunately the arrogance hasn't.:mad:
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I think that the camembert producers in Cornwall, Somerset and Camarthenshire might disagree with you.

And it could end up giving a boost to UK producers as well if demand rises. Less camembert imported from France, and what is imported is more expensive due to trade tariffs, so British made camembert becomes more popular.

And we might be in your words a "diddy little collection of nations" but we are still the 5th or 6th biggest economy in the world and a market that several EU countries won't want to see reduced by imposition of tariffs.
 
We buy £290B worth annually from EU and sell them back roughly £220B worth. That £220B is 44% of our total exports (80% of which is services rather than physical goods) and the £290B is 53% of our imports.
Shows how important the EU market is to us (more to us than them) and we are in a large trade deficit with them. That's not a strong position to start negotiating really. Some interesting breakout of our trade balance with separate EU countries in image below, worryingly poor deficit with Germany, the rest in red perhaps not so bad but still not great.

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Could having a large deficit equally be seen as a strong position to start negotiating from? Countries that sell us a lot of products might not want to see that number drop due to tariffs being applied.

Overall the EU market might be more important to us than to them but individually how important is our market to Germany, Spain or France for example? I don't know the answer to this but where for example does our £30 billion deficit with Germany rank in their list of trading partners. Could they afford to see it cut by half (random % plucked out of the air) due to tariffs?
 
I dont have the answers to your questions but it makes me nervous that our exports are largely services and not material goods. I may be wrong but to me services are very portable, not tangible assets really, and can be relocated to EU countries outside UK relatively easily.
 
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