SeveDay - Are They Bandits?

bladeplayer said:
Since publishing this list we have had a number of emails from players querying some of the scores at the top of the leader board which appear particularly high, this is something that we have looked into and can confirm that all scores have been officially verified with the playing partners of those individuals as well as their golf clubs where possible.
We are shortly going to be opening discussions with a handful of players about making adjustments to their handicap for the final in light of these scores.
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So to translate we asked if we could talk their mates and see if the scores are true and some said yes and some said no. Then their mates, who they probably have not promised to take to the Masters, have said it is a true score.

Did I miss anything?
 
The event is clearly flawed and I would imagine this will be the last one in this format.
Fault of the greedy organisers who assumed that non golf club members would play honestly.
The people who signed the cards are twice as guilty.

Best form of cheating that I know about was an ex county player on the wain who returned cards from open competitions without playing in the events. He got away with it for a couple of years.
 
drutz said:
So to translate we asked if we could talk their BEST mates and see if the scores are true and some said yes and some said no. Then their mates, who they probably have not promised to take to the Masters, have said it is a true score.

Did I miss anything?
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Nope cept maybe the word i entered :)...

I love the "Since publishing this list we have had a number of emails from players querying some of the scores at the top of the leader board which appear particularly high...

No sh#t sherlock ... , did ya realy ?
 
bladeplayer said:
STATEMENT FROM THE ORGANISERS,....

Since publishing this list we have had a number of emails from players querying some of the scores at the top of the leader board which appear particularly high, this is something that we have looked into and can confirm that all scores have been officially verified with the playing partners of those individuals as well as their golf clubs where possible.
We are shortly going to be opening discussions with a handful of players about making adjustments to their handicap for the final in light of these scores.
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What people have been querying a 62 point round of golf?? I find that hard to believe! and I look forward to seeing the 13year old on the tour next year!

I'd have DQed anything above 50 points without even asking the question!

I have noticed a name (might be a coincidence - disclaimer!) on the list that was caught cheating and banned from a course I used to play near the top but apparently even he knew the limits of bad taste!

I could stretch to a 20-28 handicapper having a good day and returning mid to high 40s so to be fair there's 2 I'd bin without question and the rest - well I'd make sure I sent a referee out with every group at the "final"
 
When I learned my golf, when you had a "good day" that's when you played to your handicap (36 pts)
So 40 pts was frowned upon.
Sadly, now mid to high 40s is regarded as acceptable. :angry:

Come back rule (clause) 19
 
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The letter from the organisers is tilted toward one aspect, money.
It's commendable that they want to support the Seve Foundation and raise as much as possible, but this is not the way to do it.
As many have pointed out any chance of this becoming a popular annual event is now damaged hugely whilst this remains the format. There is also the possibility that more club golfers would have entered (as many could probably see the flaw and not bother as it stands) so maybe would have made more for the Foundation. It was massively short sighted of the organisers and I would be surprised if the event survives in to a second year.
As for the people posting the scores, some people have no shame.The info that Louise posted up tells it's own story about the individual, rounds of 90+ and then a 76 just when it was needed? Wish I could do that, golf on demand.
 
Are there any Sale Golf Club members on the forum? I wonder if a spokesperson from Sale could be persuaded to contribute to the discussion.
 
bobmac said:
When I learned my golf, when you had a "good day" that's when you played to your handicap (36 pts)
So 40 pts was frowned upon.
Sadly, now mid to high 40s is regarded as acceptable. :angry:

Come back rule (clause) 19
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Maybe I've not got my point across very well there! I agree a good day should return somewhere around your handicap I would say 35-39 points but I've seen and been victim to high handicappers returning scores that made me wish I'd never forked out the entrance fee (especially when they walk off the 18th as I'm stood on the 1st tee!)

Mid to high 40s
Acceptable - questionable
Believable - regrettably so

50+
Acceptable - No
Believable - I'd need some serious proof!
 
bobmac said:
Come back rule (clause) 19
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Any self-respecting club should be using its replacement - clause 23. Our Handicap Committee meets regularly throughout the year, met yesterday, result - clause 23 reductions for two players. The ammunition to aim at rapidly improving players exists, clubs should be willing to pull the trigger.
 
Just for fun, I've looked back on my best medal round of the year at my course. Gross 73 (SSS 68) while I was playing off 10.

It works out at 44 stableford points and got me a 1.4 handicap cut..... so CSS must have gone up to 70.

This score was 100% genuine and I'd have been pretty annoyed at anyone who suggested otherwise. (Should have been better in fact - I'm still kicking myself at needing 4 shots to get down from greenside at the 18th).

But that was a great round for me, only bettered a couple of times since despite my golf improving greatly. I'd say anyone scoring in the 50s is, at best, someone with an inaccurate handicap and, more likely, a blatant cheat!

These scores only cheapen the competition; I can't imagine entering an event like this - what's the point?
 
cookelad said:
A quick scan of the Sale G.C results page shows no sign!
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There was no need to have any club involvement for score submission or any requirement for scores to be achieved in competition. Surely, however, Sale cannot be comfortable with the publicity.
 
rosecott said:
There was no need to have any club involvement for score submission or any requirement for scores to be achieved in competition. Surely, however, Sale cannot be comfortable with the publicity.
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My mistake I thought it had to be a competitive round - I'll bet that was the stupidest assumption I've made this year!
 
Is there anything in the rules of golf that prevents the organisers from temporarily altering the finalists handicaps to match the score posted. This way Ms Varma would play the final of 4.
 
walshawwhippet said:
Is there anything in the rules of golf that prevents the organisers from temporarily altering the finalists handicaps to match the score posted. This way Ms Varma would play the final of 4.
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I know this doesn't excuse any cheating that may have gone on. Just trying to make the best of a bad job, and restore some integrity to final at least.
 
FairwayDodger said:
Just for fun, I've looked back on my best medal round of the year at my course. Gross 73 (SSS 68) while I was playing off 10.

It works out at 44 stableford points and got me a 1.4 handicap cut..... so CSS must have gone up to 70.

This score was 100% genuine and I'd have been pretty annoyed at anyone who suggested otherwise. (Should have been better in fact - I'm still kicking myself at needing 4 shots to get down from greenside at the 18th).

But that was a great round for me, only bettered a couple of times since despite my golf improving greatly. I'd say anyone scoring in the 50s is, at best, someone with an inaccurate handicap and, more likely, a blatant cheat!

These scores only cheapen the competition; I can't imagine entering an event like this - what's the point?
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When I was flying earlier in the season, I had my best score in a stableford event it was 42pts, I wouldn't have made the top 72 in the Seveday comp.
 
louise_a said:
When I was flying earlier in the season, I had my best score in a stableford event it was 42pts, I wouldn't have made the top 72 in the Seveday comp.
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When you put it in perspective like that, it's a total joke. It's bad enough that people cheat so blatantly, but when Seve's name is attached to it in any way, it just utterly totally goes against what he and Golf are about.
 
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