Serena Williams - Disgraceful

[Papas1982]

I think they should have to play 5 sets just like the men, but hey that's my opinion!

I’m not to bothered about how long the matches are. The men’s tour is only 3 sets. It’s just simple marketing. Hence why they’re are separate tours. If the men’s game carries the women’s.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The top change incident has been covered, one issue doesn’t show institutionalised sexism. The only real equality battle that’s gone on has been over money, something which imo has the men being penalised as the women’s game doesn’t generate as much, so prize money shouldn’t be equal.

When the penalty came is also a mute point, the umpire can’t be blamed for when she decides to have a tantrum.

There’s no point us keep going round in circles though. As far as I’m concerend there is no defence for her actions.
So I’ll step aside now as this conversation seems to have been had a few times on here already.

Re Nadal getting special treatment. Let’s see if this umpire chairs another of Williams games before we decide it’s only the men who get that special treatment though.

So you’ve dismissed a proven point on the differences because it’s been mentioned before, you dismiss the timing of the punishment as all down to SW and whether the Umpire could of acted differently is ignored.
And let’s wait and see if Williams gets her way so ignore Nadal’s behaviour and the precedent already being set!
If he doesn’t chair anymore of her matches, does it prove player power or equal rights or undermine the officials? If he does chair a Williams match before a Nadal match does it prove inequality and we’ll all apologise to Williams.
See you in the future sometime.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Because it's against the rules.

Only for WOMEN!, No issue with the Official applying the rule, but the rule should of been revoked a long time ago and it’s down to the governing bodies to review and remove, not wait until it’s highlighted on a the world stage!

 

[Slime]

Only for WOMEN!, No issue with the Official applying the rule, but the rule should of been revoked a long time ago and it’s down to the governing bodies to review and remove, not wait until it’s highlighted on a the world stage!

Yes, only for WOMEN because that rules was introduced by the WTA ............................. Womens' Tennis Association.
They wanted the rule, they have to accept it.

 

[Papas1982]

So you’ve dismissed a proven point on the differences because it’s been mentioned before, you dismiss the timing of the punishment as all down to SW and whether the Umpire could of acted differently is ignored.
And let’s wait and see if Williams gets her way so ignore Nadal’s behaviour and the precedent already being set!
If he doesn’t chair anymore of her matches, does it prove player power or equal rights or undermine the officials? If he does chair a Williams match before a Nadal match does it prove inequality and we’ll all apologise to Williams.
See you in the future sometime.

Did I say Nadal behave well? Nope. Just simply that the end result doesn’t prove he’s had special treatment unless Williams starts getting the same ref.

The ref Imforced the law. Whether could have done differently DOES NOT MATTER. She broke the rules, it’s not sexist for a him to enforce them. For someone that claims to have accepted she got what she deserved your spending s lot of time “not” defending her.

I think id rather not see you in your idea of the future tbh, would probably have no time to enjoy it as I’d have to apologise for being a man.

 

[Slime]

I’m not to bothered about how long the matches are. The men’s tour is only 3 sets. It’s just simple marketing. Hence why they’re are separate tours. If the men’s game carries the women’s.

The majors are five set matches, so why does the ladies Wimbledon champion get the same prize money as the mens champion?
That's inequality!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Because it's against the rules.

At first I thought it was very harsh but it appears both men and ladies are not allowed to change shirt etc on the court like she did - yes men can and do change sat at their chair and I believe a lady can but neither can on the court like she did

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yes, only for WOMEN because that rules was introduced by the WTA ............................. Womens' Tennis Association.
They wanted the rule, they have to accept it.

Nope, you need to look back, this was clarified and it was US Open decision, the WTA proved it after the fact.

 

[Papas1982]

The majors are five set matches, so why does the ladies Wimbledon champion get the same prize money as the mens champion?
That's inequality!

What if the women won 7-5 7-5
And the men’s was 6-0 6-0 6-0.

I mean it’s not gonna happen, but that for me is why the length of match isn’t a valid argument in the money debate. As you can’t guarantee who will do the most work as such. It’s simply a case of market values, and in the case the women’s game isn’t worth as much.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Did I say Nadal behave well? Nope. Just simply that the end result doesn’t prove he’s had special treatment unless Williams starts getting the same ref.

The ref Imforced the law. Whether could have done differently DOES NOT MATTER. She broke the rules, it’s not sexist for a him to enforce them. For someone that claims to have accepted she got what she deserved your spending s lot of time “not” defending her.

I think id rather not see you in your idea of the future tbh, would probably have no time to enjoy it as I’d have to apologise for being a man.

How sad that you have the inability to debate without getting petty and insulting.
You didn’t discuss the Nadal incident, ie, officials threatening Williams but no condemnation when a man did it and actually up to now has got his way, we have to wait to see.
Maybe the debate has to move on and discuss why and see if all parties involved can learn from it and avoid it happening again in the future.

 

[bobmac]

Or because of what she had to fight against, and may think still fighting, she’s had enough and is now strong enough to question what she perceives as inequality.

So she wants to abuse the umpire and get away with it like the men do?
And just for clarity, the US Open gave EQUAL prize money to men and women in 1973, 8 years before Williams was born.

 

[Papas1982]

How sad that you have the inability to debate without getting petty and insulting.
You didn’t discuss the Nadal incident, ie, officials threatening Williams but no condemnation when a man did it and actually up to now has got his way, we have to wait to see.
Maybe the debate has to move on and discuss why and see if all parties involved can learn from it and avoid it happening again in the future.

I wasn’t insulting you. I may have misinterpreted, To me it read as though you were implying I was old fashioned. The see you in the future and thumbs up seemed sarcasm. So I responded in kind.

If it wasn’t then I apologise.

But the rest I think we’ll have to move on from. Because I’ve missed the part where officials threatened Williams. I didn’t discuss Nadal as this thread was based on her. Anyone else doing something wrong, doesn’t excise someone else.

If you want I can name and shame a load of other sports stars who’ve also misbehaved, but it won’t change mine (or your) view on this incident. So let’s just move on and get back on it tomorrow on the footy thread.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Barry Cowen covered the shirt incident. I assume he was correct. Men and women can remove and change shirts at the changeover, by their chairs. Neither can change them away from the chairs, i.e. at the end of the court. She changed at the end of the court, she had it on back to front. It's an anomaly and will probably be amended.

Not sexist, applies to men and women just a daft rule.

Regarding Nadal. He made the comment to an umpire, don't believe it became reality though. The umpires association couldn't allow it surely. It was a hot air comment, as with Williams. I believe, although don't know, that the umpire did officiate him again. If players start dictating who officiates then the game is in huge trouble.

I haven't joined this thread for a while but no way do I believe that Williams believed that she was standing up for equality mid meltdown. She wants the right to abuse officials? Crazy. Those comments were attempts to deflect criticism after the event. It was pr fire fighting.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I wasn’t insulting you. I may have misinterpreted, To me it read as though you were implying I was old fashioned. The see you in the future and thumbs up seemed sarcasm. So I responded in kind.

If it wasn’t then I apologise.

But the rest I think we’ll have to move on from. Because I’ve missed the part where officials threatened Williams. I didn’t discuss Nadal as this thread was based on her. Anyone else doing something wrong, doesn’t excise someone else.

If you want I can name and shame a load of other sports stars who’ve also misbehaved, but it won’t change mine (or your) view on this incident. So let’s just move on and get back on it tomorrow on the footy thread.

The see you in the future was a response to your we’ll have to wait see comment followed by I’m out, therefore you’d reply to this thread if and when it happened.
Yes you totally got it wrong.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Barry Cowen covered the shirt incident. I assume he was correct. Men and women can remove and change shirts at the changeover, by their chairs. Neither can change them away from the chairs, i.e. at the end of the court. She changed at the end of the court, she had it on back to front. It's an anomaly and will probably be amended.

Not sexist, applies to men and women just a daft rule.

Regarding Nadal. He made the comment to an umpire, don't believe it became reality though. The umpires association couldn't allow it surely. It was a hot air comment, as with Williams. I believe, although don't know, that the umpire did officiate him again. If players start dictating who officiates then the game is in huge trouble.

I haven't joined this thread for a while but no way do I believe that Williams believed that she was standing up for equality mid meltdown. She wants the right to abuse officials? Crazy. Those comments were attempts to deflect criticism after the event. It was pr fire fighting.

They clarified the rule after the incident.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metr...ourt-after-alize-cornet-incident-7894240/amp/

Nadal said that to Ramos last year at the French Open, to date has not chaired a Nadal match (don’t know if it is coincidence or not)

How any of others can categorically state what a sports person at that level is or isn’t thinking is beyond me.
I can certainly believe they are that far up themselves they lose control, but as I’ve said she isn’t the first and won’t be the last.

I look forward to the next thread the next time any tennis player steps out of line.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I suspect most of us on here don't care about tennis enough to look out for incidents 😁. This one made the news as it was in a final, it was huge, it involved the current most famous female player. The rest of the time we don't care.

You're right, none of us know 100% what a sports person is thinking but we are allowed opinions. Same as when a footballer goes through a player or leaves one on an opponent. We don't absolutely know that it was deliberate but we can be pretty confident. We have eyes, we can make judgements. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck etc

Monitor the tennis tour for us, post it and I'm pretty confident that everyone will condemn the player unequivocally . Any player who behaves like Williams did will get my condemnation without question.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I suspect most of us on here don't care about tennis enough to look out for incidents 😁. This one made the news as it was in a final, it was huge, it involved the current most famous female player. The rest of the time we don't care.

You're right, none of us know 100% what a sports person is thinking but we are allowed opinions. Same as when a footballer goes through a player or leaves one on an opponent. We don't absolutely know that it was deliberate but we can be pretty confident. We have eyes, we can make judgements. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck etc

Monitor the tennis tour for us, post it and I'm pretty confident that everyone will condemn the player unequivocally . Any player who behaves like Williams did will get my condemnation without question.

Cheers mate, will do
Nice to see you have a new admirer