Scotland and drugs

I'd like to know why Scotland has one of biggest drinking cultures in the world, although I understand places like Manchester have a similar problem.
And why do they appear to prefer deep fried Mars bars to cod and salmon?
 
stefanovic said:
I'd like to know why Scotland has one of biggest drinking cultures in the world, although I understand places like Manchester have a similar problem.
And why do they appear to prefer deep fried Mars bars to cod and salmon?
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are you for real???

never seen anywhere that does deep fried mars bars TBH. lived in Edinburgh, Angus and the Highlands
 
My opinion, shoot me as you will.
The UK has a cultural love and problem with alcohol. People use alcohol for many reasons, some to excess to escape. People take recreational drugs for many reason, many to escape. Often those "entry" drugs lead on to the heavier more addictive stuff as the effect becomes less. Also now those more "recreational" drugs are mixed up and cut with much more instantly harmful and addictive elements such as fentanyl.
Looking at the graph in the original article, it looks to me like a 25% increase in death by drugs occured around 2018, at the same time the SNP government brought in minimum price alcohol. Now if you assume people still want to "escape" at the weekend, is it any wonder people may move to a"cheaper" hit substance, perhaps not realising the probable addictive nature of that substance and the path that leads to?

I am not saying the UK has drug policy right or wrong, (although TBH I am against legalising anything more) but you have to look at the corelation between lesser alcohol sales as a result of minimum price alcohol and increased drugs deaths in Scotland.
 
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Bunkermagnet said:
My opinion, shoot me as you will.
The UK has a cultural love and problem with alcohol. People use alcohol for many reasons, some to excess to escape. People take recreational drugs for many reason, many to escape. Often those "entry" drugs lead on to the heavier more addictive stuff as the effect becomes less. Also now those more "recreational" drugs are mixed up and cut with much more instantly harmful and addictive elements such as fentanyl.
Looking at the graph in the original article, it looks to me like a 25% increase in death by drugs occured around 2018, at the same time the SNP government brought in minimum price alcohol. Now if you assume people still want to "escape" at the weekend, is it any wonder people may move to a"cheaper" hit substance, perhaps not realising the probable addictive nature of that substance and the path that leads to?

I am not saying the UK has drug policgy right or wrong, (although TBH I am against legalising anything more) but you have to look at the correlation between lesser alcohol sales as a result of minimum price alcohol and increased drugs deaths in Scotland.
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while i agree with most of what you put, however i would be very sceptical of people switching from cheap Booze to hardcore intravenous drugs in such a short period of time.

lets not forget from the last published figures 3 times as many deaths in England from Drugs, Scotland has a higher proportion as a % of the population, so neither is anything to be proud of
 
patricks148 said:
while i agree with most of what you put, however i would be very sceptical of people switching from cheap Booze to hardcore intravenous drugs in such a short period of time.

lets not forget from the last published figures 3 times as many deaths in England from Drugs, Scotland has a higher proportion as a % of the population, so neither is anything to be proud of
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I'm not suggesting alcohol to injected hard drugs, but more the recreational ones that have the stuff like fentanyl mixed in with them deliberately to hook the user. You only have to read the reports of the numbers of deaths in certain US cities as a result of this to realise we are going to suffer the same problems, if we aren't already.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
I'm not suggesting alcohol to injected hard drugs, but more the recreational ones that have the stuff like fentanyl mixed in with them deliberately to hook the user. You only have to read the reports of the numbers of deaths in certain US cities as a result of this to realise we are going to suffer the same problems, if we aren't already.
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the vast majority of the death are opiates, which would be Intravenous, there could have been some increase in the others. The SNP are not blameless as they have made cuts to front line drug services, but they would argue they have had budget cuts from Westminster.

Fact remains the UK as a whole has a drug and alcohol problem, point scoring on its all Scotlands problem are short sighted, as a i said 3 times as many died from drugs in England and Wales.

How the UK deals with is should be the issue, at the moment its not working.
 
stefanovic said:
I'd like to know why Scotland has one of biggest drinking cultures in the world, although I understand places like Manchester have a similar problem.
And why do they appear to prefer deep fried Mars bars to cod and salmon?
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The deep fried mars bars are only for the tourists and village idiots who are gullible to practical jokes.

BTW
I saw a sign at chippy on the Isle of Wight last week that said 'we will batter anything'.
 
patricks148 said:
the vast majority of the death are opiates, which would be Intravenous, there could have been some increase in the others. The SNP are not blameless as they have made cuts to front line drug services, but they would argue they have had budget cuts from Westminster.

Fact remains the UK as a whole has a drug and alcohol problem, point scoring on its all Scotlands problem are short sighted, as a i said 3 times as many died from drugs in England and Wales.

How the UK deals with is should be the issue, at the moment its not working.
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As there are around twelve times the population in the RUK it's still a very poor reflection for Scotland.
 
patricks148 said:
the vast majority of the death are opiates, which would be Intravenous, there could have been some increase in the others. The SNP are not blameless as they have made cuts to front line drug services, but they would argue they have had budget cuts from Westminster.

Fact remains the UK as a whole has a drug and alcohol problem, point scoring on its all Scotlands problem are short sighted, as a i said 3 times as many died from drugs in England and Wales.

How the UK deals with is should be the issue, at the moment its not working.
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Everything has seen cuts in one way or another, it's how we manage it that matters.
Who's point scoring and saying it's only Scotland with the problem? I was using the figures and stats in the orginal quoted article, but I suppose living in the South means anything I might say is just little Englander, even if I'm Scottish descended.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Everything has seen cuts in one way or another, it's how we manage it that matters.
Who's point scoring and saying it's only Scotland with the problem? I was using the figures and stats in the orginal quoted article, but I suppose living in the South means anything I might say is just little Englander, even if I'm Scottish descended.
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i didn't mean you;)
 
stefanovic said:
I'd like to know why Scotland has one of biggest drinking cultures in the world, although I understand places like Manchester have a similar problem.
And why do they appear to prefer deep fried Mars bars to cod and salmon?
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Easy to rip the piss but drinking is heavier in Czech republic which has a bigger problem, seems it's just cultural there, visited once and workmen were drinking beer at 8am in summer. For Scotland deep poverty in certain geographic areas is also linked to alcohol abuse, these same areas where when traditional heavy industry disappeared and was never effectively replaced the poverty is worst.
Re deep fried mars bars I've never seen anyone eat one, I've never eaten one and dont know anyone who has, sounds more like a student dare. We cooked fresh sea bass this evening, no chips either.;) Haddock and chips remains the choice of the great majority visiting a chippie too.
 
patricks148 said:
you would still be wrong then
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Don't mind being proved right or wrong, but a link to show why I am wrong would help to slam dunk your " still wrong" comment. And as me man says, give us something to think about. Otherwise it's just another desperate opinion a DFT says
 
patricks148 said:
not really that was the point of the report the % of population V's deaths is poor but 3000..died in E&W, no one has doubted there is a problem in Scotland, but if you are OK with that amount of loss then you win Scotland's is far worse
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It is per capita, the only way to measure it.
 
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