Refereeing decisions

[JT77]

After watching the two games today , is it just me or has the standard of officiating dropped?
Some woeful decision in the Sunderland game with the handbills, especially the penalty that a free kick was given.
Then the Newcastle game with that disgraceful challenge on the young fullback hidara and then the hand ball for the goal.
The referee needs more help from his assistants and they should look at technology in my opinion.
As an aside are the officials performances reviewed? They get paid to do this work. I realise its very tough and so fast now, but I don't know any other profession that you can make so many errors and still remain employed.

 

[Dodger]

After watching the two games today , is it just me or has the standard of officiating dropped?
Some woeful decision in the Sunderland game with the handbills, especially the penalty that a free kick was given.
Then the Newcastle game with that disgraceful challenge on the young fullback hidara and then the hand ball for the goal.
The referee needs more help from his assistants and they should look at technology in my opinion.
As an aside are the officials performances reviewed? They get paid to do this work. I realise its very tough and so fast now, but I don't know any other profession that you can make so many errors and still remain employed.

Both games littered with them,how Perch stayed on is a further mystery.

After watching both games and realising Newcastle could have went 11th it shows you that the EPL is woefully short on the quality Sky like to tell you it has.Poor reffing,poor passing,poor tackling,little skill and 4 god awful teams.

 

[bozza]

It's just so inconsistent which is the most annoying thing.

Pienaar got a red yesterday for his challange and the Wigan player didn't even get pulled up for a foul and it was a shocking challange.

How a ref can watch that back (which he will) and not come out and apologise he got it wrong is beyond me.

 

[bluewolf]

The ref admitted to not seeing it. Let the authorities deal with the retrospective punishment. I hope the lad isn't too badly injured. As far as the rest of the game goes, as we keep being told whenever we get those decisions against us. They'll even out over the course of a season. It doesn't help does it.

The winning goal was clearly a handball, Perch should have been off, corners and penalties weren't given to both sides. A poor performance from Halsey that benefitted us this time.

 

[In_The_Rough]

Dont think the refereeing standard has dropped this season its been pants for a long as I can remember. With regards to the EPL not being as good as Sky make out I agree it aint, but most of the leagues I think are lacking. Spain is very poor apart from 2 teams, Italy again poor apart from 2 possibly 3 teams, France PSG will clean up out there for as long as the Arabs are at the club nobody else will get a look in, Germany normally I am a fan but this season is an anti climax as Bayern are running away with it and probably will do when Pep goes there, SPL nuff said on that, Holland, Portugal,Turkey all poor apart from the same few teams.

 

[Yerman]

Hate watching footy these days, something clearly wrong with the rules when so many games seem to be down to dodgy ref decisions.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Is it really a current problem. I have seen atrocious decisions for years. When the might Fulham went all the way to the Europa League final they had some horrendous decisions home and away. Even in the group stages of the CL and EL when UEFA give officials across the continent some experience to bring them on, you see how out of their depth they are and how shallow the talent in depth of officiating is in Europe

 

[JT77]

So then is it time for help and the use of technology?
As for the ref not seeing it, I accept he is human an therefore can miss things or make mistakes but did neither assistant see it? Or did they just bottle it?

 

[stevie_r]

Football has always been littered with poor decisions, always; it's the human element. It's only hot news due to every game being televised on a dozen cameras, rather than the odd game being televised with one camera on the half way line.

 

[bluewolf]

I'm all for tv being used to aid goal line decisions, but if you introduce technology to help make the bread and butter, middle of the park decisions then the game would never end. Every small incident would be flagged up for review. It would turn into NFL when a game takes 4 hours +. Refs make mistakes, players make mistakes, fans make mistakes, coaches make mistakes. It's human.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I realise its very tough and so fast now, but I don't know any other profession that you can make so many errors and still remain employed.

Then again how many of those professions do you have 20 odd cameras replaying every slight controversy in super slow mo, watching your every move? And the 'ex players union' pundits being paid to discuss your performance to an audience of millions, desperate to highlight a refereeing mistake? And just about every player, at best trying to gain an advantage and at worst outright try and cheat and deceive you? And players, managers and fans desperate to blame you for one or two incidents you got wrong, instead of taking some responsibility for the loss (and I know fans can not do that but I am referring to players and managers)?

You are spot on by saying they need help. And the football governing bodies do them no favours by, at times, making the golf governing bodies seem positively dynamic and modern. But refs also need respect and a mature attitude, especially by the vast majority of managers. But without that football will get the referees it deserves by the way it treats them. Most other sports respect the ref, football at times seems to treat them like something they just stood on.

I heard someone moaning the other day saying 'if they don't like the stick then they didn't have to become a ref, ', Which is true. But if no one became a ref then there would not be a game.

 

[bluewolf]

Then again how many of those professions do you have 20 odd cameras replaying every slight controversy in super slow mo, watching your every move? And the 'ex players union' pundits being paid to discuss your performance to an audience of millions, desperate to highlight a refereeing mistake? And just about every player, at best trying to gain an advantage and at worst outright try and cheat and deceive you? And players, managers and fans desperate to blame you for one or two incidents you got wrong, instead of taking some responsibility for the loss (and I know fans can not do that but I am referring to players and managers)?

You are spot on by saying they need help. And the football governing bodies do them no favours by, at times, making the golf governing bodies seem positively dynamic and modern. But refs also need respect and a mature attitude, especially by the vast majority of managers. But without that football will get the referees it deserves by the way it treats them. Most other sports respect the ref, football at times seems to treat them like something they just stood on.

I heard someone moaning the other day saying 'if they don't like the stick then they didn't have to become a ref, ', Which is true. But if no one became a ref then there would not be a game.

I don't agree with some of what you post HK....... But that post is spot on....

 

[Paul_Stewart]

I'm all for tv being used to aid goal line decisions, but if you introduce technology to help make the bread and butter, middle of the park decisions then the game would never end. Every small incident would be flagged up for review. It would turn into NFL when a game takes 4 hours +. Refs make mistakes, players make mistakes, fans make mistakes, coaches make mistakes. It's human.

The NFL replay system works because it is stop/start sport. But even penalty decisions, the most controversial of which is pass interference, cannot be reviewed. Replayed plays can either be confirmed, overturned or the play on the field stands (which means there was not conclusive proof to overturn the original decision). It is not perfect but it works well.

But it would never carry over to football unless you immediately stop the game after a controversial decision and check the replay.

The Everton offside goal v Man City yesterday could be checked and a goal given. But what if a ball is debatable if it crossed the line or not and the other team goes straight downfield and scores?

 

[Paul_Stewart]

What really gets me about people slagging off referees is when you get a clown like Alan Green on 5Live ripping into an official after he has had the benefit of replays and a director telling him in his ear what has happened, and then he makes half a dozen mistakes on players' names and situations on commentary. Hypocrit doesn't even come into it.

 

[G1BB0]

I thought the keepers sending off was a joke!

He didnt play the ball with his hands and brought them up to defend himself as it was a 50/50. Freekick and yellow card. decisions like that cost teams points, the fans robbed of a proper spectacle.

It seems to be the same refs generally aswell. I know its a tough job but if they arent upto the job then demote them to the championship or lower!!

 

[deanobillquay]

Both games littered with them,how Perch stayed on is a further mystery.

After watching both games and realising Newcastle could have went 11th it shows you that the EPL is woefully short on the quality Sky like to tell you it has.Poor reffing,poor passing,poor tackling,little skill and 4 god awful teams.

Why don't you stop watching the EPL then you knob. Scottish football is so much better.....

 

[Imurg]

The biggest differences that catche the Ref's out are the speed of the modern game and the fact that virtually all the players are trying their hardest to cheat.
It's all very well the Commentators and the Pundits replaying the action from every conceivable angle and in super slow-mo but the Ref doesn't get that - and for the vast majority of decisions he couldn't get the help of the Tech...or as Bluewolf says, every game would last 4 hours or more....
Specific decisions - ball crossed the line for example - bring the Tech in NOW!

Take the Fellani handball.
It was inside the area by about a yard. But if you look at the Lino and the Ref they're not in line with Fellani, the ball was kicked pretty hard and they wouldn't have had time to even move their eyes to see exactly where he was. In the split second they had, they made their call - now this is one where Tech could help as the ball was dead due to the Free-kick. it would have taken 10 seconds to replay it and award the Penalty instead.

I pity the Refs and Linos - they get nothing but stick from Fans, Players and Managers when they get things wrong but rarely get praise when the get things right.
Anyone who thinks it's easy should try it. Although the Laws are there, most of the time they are subject to opinion of the Ref. It's how he sees a challenge. Refs in ALL Sports get it wrong but you only really hear about it in Football....

 

[Paul_Stewart]

Spot on Imurg. And how often does a manager make a comment like "well we've had so many go against us this year" or "I didn't see it" when something monstrous goes for them for once?

 

[richy]

Both games littered with them,how Perch stayed on is a further mystery.

After watching both games and realising Newcastle could have went 11th it shows you that the EPL is woefully short on the quality Sky like to tell you it has.Poor reffing,poor passing,poor tackling,little skill and 4 god awful teams.

I was going to post the same thing about the Champions league. I mean Celtic got out the group stages FFS!

 

[Dodger]

Why don't you stop watching the EPL then you knob. Scottish football is so much better.....

Thanks for your oh so mature insight.

I am sure someone challenged me earlier in the season when I said Newcastle would struggle.In fact I am sure I was told I was a knob then and that I knew nothing and the Toon would be top 8........