Qatar Rigged?

MetalMickie said:
But if Human Rights were to be considered most recent Olympics and Worl Cups would never have taken place.

Sochi, Beijing, Athens, Sydney (ask the aboriginal people!) and so on....
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Not really sure whether you're agreeing or disagreeing! :)

I certainly don't think it's OK to take these events to a country with poor human rights and lack of equality just because such countries have hosted them in the past....
 
FairwayDodger said:
Not really sure whether you're agreeing or disagreeing! :)

I certainly don't think it's OK to take these events to a country with poor human rights and lack of equality just because such countries have hosted them in the past....
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Overall tend to disagree with you as I have always felt uneasy about mixing sport with politics, particularly when we continue to trade with many of the nations in question.

Also I get very concerned when an attempt is made to "grade" nations' breaches of Human Rights along the lines of religious intolerance is not as bad as sexual discrimination which, in turn, is not as bad as racial discrimination.

I am not suggesting that you or anyone else is attempting this but I think you would agree that this sometimes is the outcome of some arguments.

I am, however, bemused by the fact that for some (not yourself) Human Rights suddenly becomes an issue but those same people said nothing over the awarding of tournaments etc; to some of the other cities and countries.
 
MetalMickie said:
Whilst I endorse your sentiments regarding the deaths of migrant construction workers. although your stats are debatable. I am amazed by your suggestion that the records of the other countries quoted pale by comparison.


Russia, China, Greece! Veritable paragons of Human Rights I'm sure.

I didn't refer again to Australia as I know from previous experience that it is not a popular move on this site to criticise our Antipodean cousins.
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I was referring directly to the construction of stadia for recent sporting events.If we're doing historical human rights issues, The UK might as well never bother applying for any future events.

edit: 860 deaths.And folk are moaning about a few million $

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/18/qatar-world-cup-india-migrant-worker-deaths
 
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MetalMickie said:
Overall tend to disagree with you as I have always felt uneasy about mixing sport with politics, particularly when we continue to trade with many of the nations in question.

Also I get very concerned when an attempt is made to "grade" nations' breaches of Human Rights along the lines of religious intolerance is not as bad as sexual discrimination which, in turn, is not as bad as racial discrimination.

I am not suggesting that you or anyone else is attempting this but I think you would agree that this sometimes is the outcome of some arguments.

I am, however, bemused by the fact that for some (not yourself) Human Rights suddenly becomes an issue but those same people said nothing over the awarding of tournaments etc; to some of the other cities and countries.
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Some good points there. Understand the mixing sport and politics and trade thing. I guess all sorts of practicalities and shades of grey come into it.

Totally understand the concern about a scale of violations as well. Who decides, as we all have our own perspective? I know some of the things I hate about Qatar aren't even on other people's radar and likewise, other issues concern me less even though, intellectually, I know they shouldn't.
 
Adi2Dassler said:
I was referring directly to the construction of stadia for recent sporting events.If we're doing historical human rights issues, The UK might as well never bother applying for any future events.

edit: 860 deaths.And folk are moaning about a few million $

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/18/qatar-world-cup-india-migrant-worker-deaths
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In the cases of Russia, China or Greece we are not talking about "historical" abuses of Human Rights but ongoing issues. And the aboriginal peoples of Australia continue to be discriminated against today.

The deaths within Qatar's construction industry are wholly deplorable and cannot in anyway be condoned but the Indian (and others in Asia) could help prevent this by making it less attractive and more difficult for the migrant workers to go to Qatar.

If that were to be done then the construction companies, many of which are, in fact, European or American owned would have to offer better pay and conditions.
 
I think the case that it was clear to anyone that they could not play it in summer which was what the bid was based on. And that FIFA did not see this as an issue when they awarded it and are now backtracking and moving the dates around just proves it was at best a monumentally stupid, and at worst, a corrupt decision. Both of which should mean the people/committees that did it are not fit for purpose.
 
Everything about the draw left a nasty taste in the mouth..It is all about kudos points on the world stage for countries like Quatar to stage events of this scale.When your national sport is falconry,why the sudden interest in football.
You only have to look at places where the European Tour goes to, and you can see that interest from the hosting country is limited to say the least.Empty courses, but "it's all about the money" as the song goes..
 
Most of the football choices for tourneys are rigged in some way

Russia and Qatar both were able to pay the most money

FIFA and UEFA are two of the most corrupt sporting organisations
 
Rumpokid said:
Everything about the draw left a nasty taste in the mouth..It is all about kudos points on the world stage for countries like Quatar to stage events of this scale.When your national sport is falconry,why the sudden interest in football.
You only have to look at places where the European Tour goes to, and you can see that interest from the hosting country is limited to say the least.Empty courses, but "it's all about the money" as the song goes..
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So, in the case of the European Tour, do you think that the players who are, after all professionals, would be happy to play in this country for little prize money rather than playing in Abu Dhabi, Qatar and Dubai for big prize money.

Of course it is all about the money, these guys are playing for a living not fun.
 
MetalMickie said:
So, in the case of the European Tour, do you think that the players who are, after all professionals, would be happy to play in this country for little prize money rather than playing in Abu Dhabi, Qatar and Dubai for big prize money.

Of course it is all about the money, these guys are playing for a living not fun.
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Think you missed the point a bit.Comparison was about countries with no real interest in the sport they are hosting,more so than earnings from competitors....Then i guess by your way of thinking, a tournament on Mars would be fine so long as the martian purse on offer was a grand sum:) ..
 
Rumpokid said:
Think you missed the point a bit.Comparison was about countries with no real interest in the sport they are hosting,more so than earnings from competitors....Then i guess by your way of thinking, a tournament on Mars would be fine so long as the martian purse on offer was a grand sum:) ..
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You are the one that appears to be missing the point. Professional sportsmen will always go where the money is and, in the case of golf, that is unlikely to be the UK as sponsorship for tournaments is virtually non-existent.

There may be much more interest in golf in this country but that does not mean sponsors will put up the funds for events over here.
 
Not shocked at all. Hasn't Warner had this kind of charge laid at his door before anyway. I wouldn't trust Blatter, Paltini or any of those at UEFA or FIFA. I actually hope the world cup is a farce (sadly I think it will all get swept under the carpet and mistakes covered up) and it hughlights just how corrupt FIFA are. Sadly I think a lot of the governing bodies IOC, ICC etc are exactly the same and run for the benefit of those on the gravy train rather than the interests of those they are suppose to govern
 
Every one of these things is rigged. There is more lobbying than an election. All the voting delegates will have been approached in some way to sway their vote. Pity that sometimes they are actually bribed.
 
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