OPFL - Old Patrick57 Flight Laws - versus Trackman

[Patrick57]

During their first ever lesson, I teach complete beginners to shape shots without using ball flight laws. I start with a nine iron and the rest of the bag is easy once they have grasped it.

I teach them GASPP - grip, aim, stance, (ball) position and posture - and then discuss and clarify the main concept or intention when swinging an iron. Once they consistently get the ball flying out there, I begin teaching them how to shape their shots.

Within one to two hours, most beginners can hit hooks and slight fades, at will, with a nine iron.

 

[brendy]

what about shanks? is that day two?

 

[Patrick57]

what about shanks? is that day two?

I don't teach people who like to have a shank!

 

[Foxholer]

During their first ever lesson, I teach complete beginners to shape shots without using ball flight laws. I start with a nine iron and the rest of the bag is easy once they have grasped it.

I teach them GASPP - grip, aim, stance, (ball) position and posture - and then discuss and clarify the main concept or intention when swinging an iron. Once they consistently get the ball flying out there, I begin teaching them how to shape their shots.

Within one to two hours, most beginners can hit hooks and slight fades, at will, with a nine iron.

That seems to be an awful lot to take in in one lesson.

I haven't got the ball 'consistently flying out there' after 20years!

Also, shouldn't you discuss the concepts and intention BEFORE teaching them how to do it - by GASPP or any other method? Or does that complicate things?

 

[Patrick57]

That seems to be an awful lot to take in in one lesson.

On average it takes about one and a half hours. 3/4 of an hour learning and performing the concept/intention, and the remainder shaping shots.

I haven't got the ball 'consistently flying out there' after 20years!

Either change your coach or try using one.

Or does that complicate things?

Its all very uncomplicated. And...

it stays learned.

 

[OldMate]

A few questions:

1. Do you then revel in the enjoyment when your students take your teachings on to the course but fail to execute?

2. Do you also teach them to hook and fade the other 5 clubs (excluding putter) that you recommend they carry?

3. I know that it would be rare, but do you find that sometimes your students get frustrated when they are still having trouble hitting the ball let alone executing perfect hooks and fades after their first 1.5 hours of golf experience?

 

[Patrick57]

Where do you teach?

In wonderland!

 

[OldMate]

In wonderland!

Just off the M1 right? Sorry, added a few more questions above while you were promptly responding. Please impart some more of your wisdom!

 

[GreiginFife]

Just off the M1 right? Sorry, added a few more questions above while you were promptly responding. Please impart some more of your wisdom!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/presenceofabsence/2590282166/

 

[Patrick57]

A few questions:

1. Do you then revel in the enjoyment when your students take your teachings on to the course but fail to execute?

2. Do you also teach them to hook and fade the other 5 clubs (excluding putter) that you recommend they carry?

3. I know that it would be rare, but do you find that sometimes your students get frustrated when they are still having trouble hitting the ball let alone executing perfect hooks and fades after their first 1.5 hours of golf experience?

Good questions!

1. Do you then revel in the enjoyment when your students take your teachings on to the course but fail to execute?

I take it you are referring to my honest admitance to enjoying Adam Scott's demise. My students tend to be glass full sort of golfers.

2. Do you also teach them to hook and fade the other 5 clubs (excluding putter) that you recommend they carry?

Certainly, it's a simple follow-on.

3. I know that it would be rare, but do you find that sometimes your students get frustrated when they are still having trouble hitting the ball let alone executing perfect hooks and fades after their first 1.5 hours of golf experience?

Not at all. They all believe that shaping a golf ball is an elementary task and it's very beneficial for finding the target.

 

[Iaing]

In wonderland!

Cuckooland more like.

 

[Patrick57]

Cuckooland more like.

You're about as sharp as a tree stump!

 

[One Planer]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that our resident pro, Bob, has probably forgotten more than you'll ever know as regards teaching.

In fact you could probably write what you know on the back of a postage stamp.

Why on gods green earth, during their first lesson, would you teach someone shot shaping.

I would have thought a run through of the basics would be a better use of time?

Obviously not!

What's in their second ever lesson?

 

[OldMate]

What's in their second ever lesson?

Gareth, you are making a bold assumption that he has repeat customers...

 

[One Planer]

Gareth, you are making a bold assumption that he has repeat customers...

I nearly put "If they come back" but I'm genuinely interested to know what's in the next lesson.

 

[SocketRocket]

Patrick. You can't make much money then. That is unless the next 120 lessons are on putting.

 

[DCB]

Is there not a H&S issue there ? What has Will ever done to deserve that ?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Would it not make more sense to teach them to be able to hit the ball first?

You see I always thought it took thousands of balls to make a swing change natural so I would say, going from never hit a ball before to hitting fades/draws at will was ridiculous. It takes longer than 2 hours to learn to hit a golf ball consistently.

I do sometimes think you're on the wind up with your posts

 

[bobmac]

I recently had a complete beginner for a lesson.
This was her first attempt

[video=youtube;W8g83gUcXbw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8g83gUcXbw&feature=endscreen[/video]

After 45 mins, I think we had made a slight improvement.

[video=youtube;qO1QXCIoUls]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO1QXCIoUls&feature=relmfu[/video]

Would I then move on and teach her how to draw and fade the ball in the same lesson? Not on your Nelly

 

[chrisd]

I can see it now

Lesson 2 itinery

The flop shot over a bunker to a pin thats short sided you

The Tiger Woods stinger

How to get the best out of a starter set of Dunlops

How to hit a high draw to the 17th at Sawgrass every time.

Thats half an hour well spent!