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murphthemog said:
Under bates, Chelsea were two weeks away from going bust. It's a pity they didn't.
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There was always a lot of rubbish written about Chelsea's finances, and that's what it was, rubbish.

The £97million debt around 2002 which so often gets mentioned was for the Village not the football club, and it takes no account of the value of the wider businesses property and other assets!

So to compare Chelsea's debts with other clubs is apples and oranges, but we all know and get used to listening to the rubbishing of Chelsea who find it fun but have no knowledge of the FACTS.

The truth is that Chelsea's position was no more or less precarious than any other major clubs but the assets being far greater than any debts and the pitch being owned under a deed of trust by the fans, the future of the football club is never in doubt.

Yes there were high profile players and high wages being paid and the wages bill needed to be slashed and players offloaded which is why Trevor Birch was brought in to strip out all the old wood and balance the books better, which he did.

The difference was we did that publically where as most other clubs keep it in-house.
 
Fish said:
Because all they go on about is history, because other than that they have nothing to shout about ;)
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Fish, when you have a trophy haul as large as ours, you are bound to go on about it. As you have (but just for the last 13 years, as it suits your argument).

Our trophy haul is still bigger than Man U's, just. It is miles bigger than Chelsea,Spurs and Newcastle's. It is a good bit bigger than Evertons and Arsenals, so why should we stop going on about it - thats what footy fans do.


You also say you are on a current dip, as are Liverpool but just over a longer period. Liverpool will win the big trophies again at some point, due to our infrastructure, fan base, big name, probably increasing ground capacity etc. However, whether we can overhaul the financially doped Chelsea and Man City is another thing.

But our structure is on a sound footing. Is Chelsea's - no. That is why the fans wont campaign against Abramovich, as they are scared he will go, or call in the "loans" that are on the club which are owed to him personally. If he goes, Chelsea folds.

LFC fans are still proud about lots of things about our club. Our gates have been higher in our years of slump, than in the time when we were winning everything. Loyalty counts for a lot in our club.

How have Chelseas gates gone - you admit yourself, crap gates in the main, with a large influx over the last 15 years. Do you feel comfortable amongst the "johnny come lateleys" around Stamford bridge these days. Where they the lads or the sons of lads who were at Oldham away in the second division, no they wont be.

I know that Chelsea were one of the best supported clubs in the 1920's, I actually admired the passion of Chelsea fans in the 1980's, and yes you were winning pots before RA started, but the financial doping turned you into perennial league winners and CL qualifiers.

How good did beating Bayern in their own ground last year feel. Bloody great I bet.

Read Roma 1984, my best ever holiday as a 13 year old, with my dad.

European cup wins - you know how great it feels now, that is why we celebrate having 5 of them, because they are quite rare.

Chelsea and Man U fans have an overwhelming sense of hate for LFC, mainly through jealousy and respect, and due to that we keep reminding them of our achievements, because they hate it.
 
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Giving Ashely Cole a contract extension but not Frank Lampard just sums up the type of club Chelsea are.

Lampard is a role model, gives everything for the team no matter what and loves the club and still can do a job for a top European club, Cole is a spoilt little brat who would go to anyother club in a heartbeat if they offerd more money.

I also think you are going to be stuck with Rafa for longer than you like.
 
Fish, just incase you don't know this but football was invented before 1992 and the invention of the Premier League.

As for your manager, I'd have him back tomorrow.

It's about time your players and fans started to take responsibility and actually get behind the team.

I don't expect fans singing his name but all the negativity around the ground must unsettle the players.
 
Liverbirdie said:
But our structure is on a sound footing. Is Chelsea's - no. That is why the fans wont campaign against Abramovich, as they are scared he will go, or call in the "loans" that are on the club which are owed to him personally. If he goes, Chelsea folds..
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Once again incorrect.

Firstly I don't think their directors loans but even if they were, he cannot "call them in". You pay yourself dividends (as I did in my business) but only from net profits gained so, if the club is in negative equity, he can't take a dividend or call anything in!

The fans also own the pitch as a freehold trust.

Our commercial side and world visibility has been extremely fruitful which is why we went for Kenyon, the problem with him was, although he more than filled his brief during his term, he was still a red and had a hand in Jose's departure before leaving himself immediately after!

Due to the business side being The Village and the location of the total site, plus substantial assets, if RA was to go, there would be a stream of investors wanting to pick up the gauntlet of such a club and business in a prime spot in London.

Were going nowhere..

No denying your overall haul, but our small borough of a club has doubled your current achievements over the last 2 decades 2 fold ;) so, I think your "dip" is a little longer than the norm.

70's and 80's were great times as a proper fan of the club, the highs & lows were like being on a white knuckle ride, as old school we shy away from the new breed, they know their place and its as far away from us as possible which is why they dominate the home games and we dominate the away games. You can only still get a feeling of how it used to be when travelling away, homes games are sterile at times and being told to sit down by some new hat 'n scarf is a joke.

There's more to the Lampard gate than we all know, agents have far too much dealings in these matters and are not always thinking about the players best interest but their own commission. I don't expect Frank to go but if he did, as long as its abroad he goes with my full blessing. I'll speak to you in person about players as I looked after a few in my last business.
 
Banter about trophies, history and owners is all part and parcel of being a true fan. Over the last decade, money talks and our local teams are now toys for billionaires who buy them for very different reasons. Utd v Liverpool or City or in recent years Chelski and Arsenal are what holds us close to our teams, as defeat is gut wrenchingly unbearable.
Boasting about proud past times is great and let's face it, we all do it and will argue until we are blue in the face about what we've done and where we are gonna go! I remember being at OT and listening to the Fergie out chants that reigned around for months before a Mark Robbins goal against Forrest in the FA Cup saved his bacon. I felt sorry for Di Matteo, I thought he should be given more of a chance. Looking at Blackburn, City and Chelski their owners have too much of a say in footballing issues. I remember reading about Allerdyce when he was at Bolton. He was told his job was safe for ten years, regardless of what happened. He did a good job in building a good team with limited resources. The facts are that managers are not given long enough to build teams fom solid foundations. It's so much harder now with wage demands, the demand for instant success and the difficulty in bringing quality young players through, especially when it's easy for the bigger clubs to shell out 20 million for 'joe average'. It will never happen, but salary caps and limiting the number of foreign players in uk teams would level the playing field to some degree and the billionaires being unable to 'buy' trophies will take their money elsewhere. Not gonna happen anytime soon though.....
 
I thought the turning point after a 6 year drought was Lee Martin in the replay of the FA Cup in 1990 against Palace?

Then with the Europe ban lifted and the kids all coming through, Beckham, Scholes, Nevilles, Butt etc you then went on to win all and sundry.

He wouldn't have got 6 years in today's times.
 
Fish said:
I thought the turning point after a 6 year drought was Lee Martin in the replay of the FA Cup in 1990 against Palace?

Then with the Europe ban lifted and the kids all coming through, Beckham, Scholes, Nevilles, Butt etc you then went on to win all and sundry.

He wouldn't have got 6 years in today's times.
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The Forrest game was the 3rd round of the FA Cup in that year! Then all those so called kids came through.... In the first week of the premier league in 1992 there was 11 foreign players in the entire league compared to near 75% last weekend! This is my bugbear !
 
Didn't United struggle for years when winning the domestic league but having to change their team by sometimes 70% due to the "foreigner" rule in European games during those times?

Welsh, Irish, Danish, Russian, Scottish, French and more, United had a good few for those times I seem to remember!
 
Fish said:
Didn't United struggle for years when winning the domestic league but having to change their team by sometimes 70% due to the "foreigner" rule in European games during those times?

Welsh, Irish, Danish, Russian, Scottish, French and more, United had a good few for those times I seem to remember!
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No. I don't thnk we struggled because of the rule, I think we were not good enough to compete at that level with such a young side... Going to Germany, Spain and even the Turkush Hell Holes were a bridge to far....
 
Karl102 said:
No. I don't thnk we struggled because of the rule, I think we were not good enough to compete at that level with such a young side... Going to Germany, Spain and even the Turkush Hell Holes were a bridge to far....
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Hmm, I beg to differ. I think even though you had a strong squad, to change a team that was winning domestic titles consistently by 50% or more to compete in Europe has to take its toll.

Just my view of it.
 
Fish said:
You just snuggle up to your history like a comfort blanket, as that's all it is. When did you last win the premiership, oh sorry, NEVER in its whole existence ;)

21st century, Liverpool 5 cups, Chelsea 13 :) // 20th & 21st century since the formation of the Premiership, Liverpool 8 cups (only another 3) Chelsea 18 cups :)

History is exactly that, the PAST, and your club now only lives in it :rofl:

;)
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please Highlight in my post where I mention history?

Oh hang on, wait a moment, that would be you.
 
Fish said:
Once again incorrect.

Firstly I don't think their directors loans but even if they were, he cannot "call them in". You pay yourself dividends (as I did in my business) but only from net profits gained so, if the club is in negative equity, he can't take a dividend or call anything in!

The fans also own the pitch as a freehold trust.

Our commercial side and world visibility has been extremely fruitful which is why we went for Kenyon, the problem with him was, although he more than filled his brief during his term, he was still a red and had a hand in Jose's departure before leaving himself immediately after!

Due to the business side being The Village and the location of the total site, plus substantial assets, if RA was to go, there would be a stream of investors wanting to pick up the gauntlet of such a club and business in a prime spot in London.

Were going nowhere..

No denying your overall haul, but our small borough of a club has doubled your current achievements over the last 2 decades 2 fold ;) so, I think your "dip" is a little longer than the norm.

70's and 80's were great times as a proper fan of the club, the highs & lows were like being on a white knuckle ride, as old school we shy away from the new breed, they know their place and its as far away from us as possible which is why they dominate the home games and we dominate the away games. You can only still get a feeling of how it used to be when travelling away, homes games are sterile at times and being told to sit down by some new hat 'n scarf is a joke.

There's more to the Lampard gate than we all know, agents have far too much dealings in these matters and are not always thinking about the players best interest but their own commission. I don't expect Frank to go but if he did, as long as its abroad he goes with my full blessing. I'll speak to you in person about players as I looked after a few in my last business.
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Is it incorrect? I've read that the "investment" from RA, is in the form of loans to the club.

Do you think if RA left tomorrow, that Chelsea would carry on swimmingly - no pun intended. I think they would really struggle, unless another billionaire came in.

RA was on the verge of buying Spurs, but decided on Chelsea. Lets face it, if he'd have bought Spurs, they would have a few leagues, cups, possibly also a european cup. I'm sure this has been stressed to Chelsea fans for the last 10 years, so no need to go into it all again, but it is not an organic growth of a football club and linked success the way Liverpool (60/70/80/90/00's), Everton(1960/80's), Man U(1960's,90/00's), Arsenal (1980/90/00's), Notts forest (1970's), Derby county(1970's),Leeds (60/70's)Wolves (1950's) did.Whether good support, a great manager(s), great players it was organic.

Blackburn,Chelsea,City have been skewed by financial doping, there is no doubt.

Small borough of a club? As one of the traditional big 4 in London, surely you have a catchment area of 2 million plus?

We share a city with another big club, in a city of only 400,000. There are also 15-20 other clubs in a 70 mile radius, as well as 2 other very large clubs only 30-odd miles down the road.Small borough of a club, don't make me laugh. :)
 
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