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Oh No!! Not the 'I' Word again.

The Green Fairy said:
Do intend to? They clearly stated that objective many months ago - and are now claiming mission accomplished.

I posted my concerns and was criticized for my lack of compassion. It now transpires that the 'poor' father of the dead child, we were so moved by, may in fact be one of the people traffickers and was the one who was in command of the boat.

Be compassionate all you like but there are two basic rules to life

Rule 1 - Trust no one.

Rule 2 - NO one.
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That to me seems a sad way to lead your life.
 
Tashyboy said:
SILH, cannot disagree with a word you have said but, and it's a massive but. Would the situation change if the UK decides to pull out of the EU ?

Would the UK decide its own refugee policy ?

thoughts please me man.
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Policy is one thing - but the practicalities around stopping refugees coming to the UK are massive. Out of the EU on grounds of limiting immigration and we might find ourselves living in a fortress UK - a 'gated' country. And that's going to be a bundle of laughs and make us really popular throughout the rest of Europe.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Eh ?! What the hell does that mean
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santa claus, tooth fairy and all other religions, beliefs, prejudices etc.

No one makes this crap up themselves, it is based on what they have been TOLD by others, people they trust - parents and elders.
We need to stop this purveying of crap, at source, if we want a peaceful world.

Stop telling kids lies - at home, at school, in churches/mosques and the like.
 
Tashyboy said:
SILH, cannot disagree with a word you have said but, and it's a massive but. Would the situation change if the UK decides to pull out of the EU ?

Would the UK decide its own refugee policy ?

thoughts please me man.
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Also my feeling is that no matter whether we are in EU or not - and no matter what the current policy may be - in 5 yrs time there will be 100,000 Syrians in the UK.

And no matter what Europe does, the exodus from Syria to Europe will continue for years. The pressure on the rest of Europe will be such that we will simply have to accommodate this sort of numbers - whether we like it or not. My feeling is then that we have to answer very quickly the question on how we get from 216 Syrians in the UK today, to 100,000 5 yrs down the line in the most organised and painless way - spreading the load across the country.
 
PhilTheFragger said:
can we go back on topic, please

feel free to start a Richard Dawkins type thread if you want
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Sorry Phil, no intent to go all 'Dawkins'.

However, if we are going to be obliged take migrants, I would have no problem with children and women forming the mainstream. Hopefully children that could benefit from an appropriate education, unfettered by creed.

Problem is, the people we are being asked to accommodate are of a religion proven to bring up their children with a disregard for the culture of their host nation.

If we are to be compassionate, it must come with conditions. No indoctrination of children, no separatist society and no demands for rights purely on religious grounds.

Fat chance :(
 
The Green Fairy said:
Sorry Phil, no intent to go all 'Dawkins'.

However, if we are going to be obliged take migrants, I would have no problem with children and women forming the mainstream. Hopefully children that could benefit from an appropriate education, unfettered by creed.

Problem is, the people we are being asked to accommodate are of a religion proven to bring up their children with a disregard for the culture of their host nation.

If we are to be compassionate, it must come with conditions. No indoctrination of children, no separatist society and no demands for rights purely on religious grounds.

Fat chance :(
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This could be good.
 
The Green Fairy said:
...Hopefully children that could benefit from an appropriate education, unfettered by creed.
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You mean 'could have our own indoctrination applied to them'!

The Green Fairy said:
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If we are to be compassionate, it must come with conditions. No indoctrination of children, no separatist society and no demands for rights purely on religious grounds.

Fat chance :(
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That's not compassion; that's selection!

After all, those conditions don't (currently) apply to existing inhabitants!

The only conditions that could possibly be required are that they agree to be law-abiding. That's all we require of existing inhabitants!
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Also my feeling is that no matter whether we are in EU or not - and no matter what the current policy may be - in 5 yrs time there will be 100,000 Syrians in the UK.

And no matter what Europe does, the exodus from Syria to Europe will continue for years. The pressure on the rest of Europe will be such that we will simply have to accommodate this sort of numbers - whether we like it or not. My feeling is then that we have to answer very quickly the question on how we get from 216 Syrians in the UK today, to 100,000 5 yrs down the line in the most organised and painless way - spreading the load across the country.
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Reason I asked was I read the other day that the EU ( finally) has come up with figures that it would like each country affiliated to the EU to take. Whether they do or not time will tell. I was gobsmacked to see that the UK was one of four countries that did not have a quota ( coz it has opted out ? ). So at the mo it's not obliged to take any, but will and should.

have a feeling it's getting a bit ugly in Serbia, Hungary and Austrian borders and will only get worse.
 
The Green Fairy said:
Sorry Phil, no intent to go all 'Dawkins'.

However, if we are going to be obliged take migrants, I would have no problem with children and women forming the mainstream. Hopefully children that could benefit from an appropriate education, unfettered by creed.

Problem is, the people we are being asked to accommodate are of a religion proven to bring up their children with a disregard for the culture of their host nation.

If we are to be compassionate, it must come with conditions. No indoctrination of children, no separatist society and no demands for rights purely on religious grounds.

Fat chance :(
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Extremely generic and just lumps every religious person together

There is a place in the world for people to have faith and believe in a form of religion - the majority of people who are religious are peaceful

There is a damn sight amount of kids and adults brought up in religious families with no issues at all.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Extremely generic and just lumps every religious person together

There is a place in the world for people to have faith and believe in a form of religion - the majority of people who are religious are peaceful
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You sure?

I would argue that the majority of people who are religious are the protagonists, maybe not individually but by quiet acceptance.
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. This applies to sectarian problems everywhere.
 
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The Green Fairy said:
You sure?

I would argue that the majority of people who are religious are the protagonists, maybe not individually but by quiet acceptance.
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. This applies to sectarian problems everywhere.
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Again it's all generics and certainly aimed at religion being the root of all evil.
 
The Green Fairy said:
Precisely!
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But it's not true though is it.

Religion isn't and never will be the issue

Millions upon millions have religion in their lives and live a peaceful life

It will always be people own interpretation of words

But far more other issues cause more problems these days - greed and power being the two main ones.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
But it's not true though is it.

Religion isn't and never will be the issue

Millions upon millions have religion in their lives and live a peaceful life

It will always be people own interpretation of words

But far more other issues cause more problems these days - greed and power being the two main ones.
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Thankyou LP - I struggle to respond and so don't
 
Tashyboy said:
Reason I asked was I read the other day that the EU ( finally) has come up with figures that it would like each country affiliated to the EU to take. Whether they do or not time will tell. I was gobsmacked to see that the UK was one of four countries that did not have a quota ( coz it has opted out ? ). So at the mo it's not obliged to take any, but will and should.

have a feeling it's getting a bit ugly in Serbia, Hungary and Austrian borders and will only get worse.
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Add to that southern Italy and southern Spain. Been on a local residents forum for the area of southern Spain we hope to move to --- yes, that'll make us migrants too. One of the posts on the site highlighted the riots that are going on in southern Europe. Town and city centres being smashed up. Wonder when we'll get that in Britain?

Why aren't the BBC showing these riots?
 
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