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Oh No!! Not the 'I' Word again.

This thread started off as a pretty good debate but as per usual, it's been ruined by petty bickering by a handful of individuals.
 
25,000 refugees over the next 4 years - where are they going to go? A refugee camp established in a park of every town and city in the country? - that's not going to please some folks.

85 English districts have populations of 50,000-100,000. 234 of 100,000 or more. 50 refugees in each of first lot ? (that's maybe 15 new houses worth). 4,250; 100 (30 houses worth) in each of the 100k+ = 23,400. 4,250+23,400 = 27,650 - bingo - sorted!
 
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Hobbit said:
So many assumptions.

All refugees are good people - no
All supporters of ISIL are bad people - yes
All terrorists are bad people - no
All air attacks by the west only kill the bad people, and never children - no
All the Muslims fleeing ISIL need our help. - no
All the Christians fleeing ISIL don't need our help. - no

Not bad, you got one right. Don't forget to do your homework before you go out to play with the big boys.
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I like the thought process of some I have read letters from in the MSM that says...

1) Clothes not in tatters - can't be a refugee from a war zone
2) Not underweight - can't be a refugee from a war zone
3) No visible wounds - - can't be a refugee from a war zone

Not a refugee from a war zone? Sorry - you don't qualify
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I like the thought process of some I have read letters from in the MSM that says...

1) Clothes not in tatters - can't be a refugee from a war zone
2) Not underweight - can't be a refugee from a war zone
3) No visible wounds - - can't be a refugee from a war zone

Not a refugee from a war zone? Sorry - you don't qualify
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Can't tell whether you are being serious or not.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I like the thought process of some I have read letters from in the MSM that says...

1) Clothes not in tatters - can't be a refugee from a war zone
2) Not underweight - can't be a refugee from a war zone
3) No visible wounds - - can't be a refugee from a war zone

Not a refugee from a war zone? Sorry - you don't qualify
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So, if you're from the posh end of town you're not allowed to be a refugee? What happens if you're overweight when you set out on on your trek, but are the 'right' weight when you arrive? And the guy standing next to you in downtown xxxx gets killed by shrapnel, is it wrong you've not even got a mark on you?

Sorry, Wednesday is blue eyed day. Come back tomorrow when we're only taking brown eyed people... comparable logic?
 
Hobbit said:
So, if you're from the posh end of town you're not allowed to be a refugee? What happens if you're overweight when you set out on on your trek, but are the 'right' weight when you arrive? And the guy standing next to you in downtown xxxx gets killed by shrapnel, is it wrong you've not even got a mark on you?

Sorry, Wednesday is blue eyed day. Come back tomorrow when we're only taking brown eyed people... comparable logic?
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I think you missed the part where SILH was referring to logic he has seen in "MSM" (no idea what this is?), but I'm pretty sure it isn't what SILH thinks (almost the opposite, could I guess?). He was just pointing out the illogical attitudes out there...
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
I think you missed the part where SILH was referring to logic he has seen in "MSM" (no idea what this is?), but I'm pretty sure it isn't what SILH thinks (almost the opposite, could I guess?). He was just pointing out the illogical attitudes out there...
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I'm going to hazard a guess at "Mainstream Media", but I suspect I'm wrong..

FWIW, I agree that SILH (who certainly loves a good acronym) is highlighting the attitudes of certain others, rather than his own..
 
There are certainly a number of 'attitudes' out there - and quite a lot of weird stuff. Like the young 'refugee' drawing a finger across his throat at the cameraman. Or, the train station full of refugees being given food supplies, which they throw dismissively onto the rail tracks.
It is not that as 'refugees' they don't look starving or injured, it is how they do look - predominantly male, a bloody sight fitter than any of their European age group, aggressive towards the authorities helping them.

If they were wearing footy shirts I would be worried - but as they have come from the violent culture of a disrupted country I am more than that.
 
bluewolf said:
I'm going to hazard a guess at "Mainstream Media", but I suspect I'm wrong..

FWIW, I agree that SILH (who certainly loves a good acronym) is highlighting the attitudes of certain others, rather than his own..
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My as usually hopelessly made point was simply asking about what a refugee should look like - because some seem to judge whether an individual is a 'valid refugee or not' on the basis of how they look. They look fit, well and reasonably well dressed so can't be a refugee from a real war zone - and so why should we give such a person 'safe haven'? seems to be the sub-text to their thinking.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
My as usually hopelessly made point was simply asking about what a refugee should look like - because some seem to judge whether an individual is a 'valid refugee or not' on the basis of how they look. They look fit, well and reasonably well dressed so can't be a refugee from a real war zone - and so why should we give such a person 'safe haven'? seems to be the sub-text to their thinking.
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We have to be able to use some basic criteria and logic.

Very shortly this war is going to get uglier and there will be another faction fleeing. I have already asked the question whether ISIL refugees will be treated in the same way as the current flood.

I take it that the soft touch liberal mob will be clearly able to identify those 'terrorist' refugees, because they will be wearing black clothes, masks and carrying black Islamic flags.
 
The Green Fairy said:
We have to be able to use some basic criteria and logic.

Very shortly this war is going to get uglier and there will be another faction fleeing. I have already asked the question whether ISIL refugees will be treated in the same way as the current flood.

I take it that the soft touch liberal mob will be clearly able to identify those 'terrorist' refugees, because they will be wearing black clothes, masks and carrying black Islamic flags.
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They will get treated in the manner their actions deem fit - if they are found to be ISIS fighters who have commited crimes against their fellow people then they will be treated as terrorists and the action that come with that.
 
[h=1]Overseas football fans visiting Britain now at 800,000[/h]
how can we cope with this number? where are we going to put them all?
how do we know they are all football fans as some of them don't wear their team's shirt?

Can we ensure with certainty that we are taking the best football fans out there, or might some of these visitors be unskilled?

Our football stadiums are full.
 
I predict that by 2020 we will have taken in 100,000 refugees from Syria. I think we might as well face up to the fact that Europe including the UK have neglected and agitated in the Middle East for decades and the chickens are now coming home to roost. The region is a mess. There are many millions of people with their lives at threat and living in ruined or destroyed towns and cities. And they have had enough. Who can blame folk for trying to escape that - I would - and I'd try to go somewhere safe.

I think we are going to have to face up to the situation that means we cannot in the UK sit Canute-like hoping this wave of refugees somehow stops or someone else will sort it and look after them. The rather unpalatable truth is that our rather cosy live in the UK is going to have to change over the next five years and it may never be the same again. So surely it is best that we accept the situation as it presents itself and coordinate with the rest of Europe and the World to come up with organised resettlement programmes for Syrians (and others) and accept that this will mean our country changing.
 
delc said:
Apparently Islamic State do intend to infiltrate some of their Jehadists among the "refugees"!
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Do intend to? They clearly stated that objective many months ago - and are now claiming mission accomplished.

I posted my concerns and was criticized for my lack of compassion. It now transpires that the 'poor' father of the dead child, we were so moved by, may in fact be one of the people traffickers and was the one who was in command of the boat.

Be compassionate all you like but there are two basic rules to life

Rule 1 - Trust no one.

Rule 2 - NO one.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I predict that by 2020 we will have taken in 100,000 refugees from Syria. I think we might as well face up to the fact that Europe including the UK have neglected and agitated in the Middle East for decades and the chickens are now coming home to roost. The region is a mess. There are many millions of people with their lives at threat and living in ruined or destroyed towns and cities. And they have had enough. Who can blame folk for trying to escape that - I would - and I'd try to go somewhere safe.

I think we are going to have to face up to the situation that means we cannot in the UK sit Canute-like hoping this wave of refugees somehow stops or someone else will sort it and look after them. The rather unpalatable truth is that our rather cosy live in the UK is going to have to change over the next five years and it may never be the same again. So surely it is best that we accept the situation as it presents itself and coordinate with the rest of Europe and the World to come up with organised resettlement programmes for Syrians (and others) and accept that this will mean our country changing.
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SILH, cannot disagree with a word you have said but, and it's a massive but. Would the situation change if the UK decides to pull out of the EU ?

Would the UK decide its own refugee policy ?

thoughts please me man.
 
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