SocketRocket
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Not when you're sitting at the back end.
Oh No!! Not the 'I' Word again.
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Not when you're sitting at the back end.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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And so yet again Cameron's oh so earnest justification for not accepting more Syrian refugees is that it is better that we (UK?) help sort out Syria. Erm - yes David. What's your short term plan for doing that then?
Because once we know your plan and timescales to implement it we'll be in a better position to help you assess how many Syrians we can accept each month as we wait for your plan to come to fruition and they can then return to a safe Syria. He does make me laugh as he spouts this stuff expecting us to take him seriously whilst thousands of refugees and asylum seekers are in and heading further into Europe.
Because once we know your plan and timescales to implement it we'll be in a better position to help you assess how many Syrians we can accept each month as we wait for your plan to come to fruition and they can then return to a safe Syria. He does make me laugh as he spouts this stuff expecting us to take him seriously whilst thousands of refugees and asylum seekers are in and heading further into Europe.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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for the Indian elephant is likely to be a legal elephant and the African an illegal elephant. They are both big and could be a problem - but one has a right to be there
SocketRocket
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With respect, that isn't what David Cameron said. He said we have taken refugees from Syria, and we will keep this under review, but we think the most important thing is to stabilise that region.
“We are taking action right across the board, helping countries from which these people are coming, stabilising them and trying to make sure there are worthwhile jobs and stronger economies there.
“We are obviously taking action at Calais and the Channel, there’s more that we need to do and we are working together with our European partners as well. These are big challenges but we will meet them.â€
What part of the above suggests he's now sitting back and twiddling his thumbs?
Tashyboy
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12th dec 2013 tashyboy joined the golf monthly forum and his first post was was immigration, good for the country or not. Contrary to how the topic went, I did not know whether it was or was not.
Nearly two years later, the same question applies.
what I do think is that two years later the Government still does not have a clue.
Contrary to what Hobbit said that the government is taking action on the Channel tunnel. Those that spent last night in darkness, may well think that the government is not doing enough.
The fact that Mr Cameron states that the countries in which these immigrants are coming from need "making safe/ sorting out etc, etc etc, " . Makes me shake my head. yes Afghanistan and Syria are war torn countries. But some of these migrants, immigrants, refugees etc want to come here from safe countries because we offer a better life.
EU law in which migrants/ refugees etc have no respect of, state you must claim asylum in the first EU country in which you arrive at. Which puts a massive pressure/ burden on Greece/Turkey/ Hungary etc and is fine and dandy for the UK.
But Mr Cameron is in a massive lose lose situation. By the end of 2017 this country wil have an in out Vote on staying in the EU. If he opens the door to a mass influx of migrants his chance of staying in the EU may well be doomed. Something he can ill afford.
as a UK citizen, I have asked this question countless times and received no answer. What is the benefit of me being a member of the EU?
It never helped me in my job and I am struggling to grasp what it actually does for me and my family.
honestly don't know what the answer is to this migration problem but an EU that is supposed to be united is poles apart (ie UK and Germany) when it comes to migration
Nearly two years later, the same question applies.
what I do think is that two years later the Government still does not have a clue.
Contrary to what Hobbit said that the government is taking action on the Channel tunnel. Those that spent last night in darkness, may well think that the government is not doing enough.
The fact that Mr Cameron states that the countries in which these immigrants are coming from need "making safe/ sorting out etc, etc etc, " . Makes me shake my head. yes Afghanistan and Syria are war torn countries. But some of these migrants, immigrants, refugees etc want to come here from safe countries because we offer a better life.
EU law in which migrants/ refugees etc have no respect of, state you must claim asylum in the first EU country in which you arrive at. Which puts a massive pressure/ burden on Greece/Turkey/ Hungary etc and is fine and dandy for the UK.
But Mr Cameron is in a massive lose lose situation. By the end of 2017 this country wil have an in out Vote on staying in the EU. If he opens the door to a mass influx of migrants his chance of staying in the EU may well be doomed. Something he can ill afford.
as a UK citizen, I have asked this question countless times and received no answer. What is the benefit of me being a member of the EU?
It never helped me in my job and I am struggling to grasp what it actually does for me and my family.
honestly don't know what the answer is to this migration problem but an EU that is supposed to be united is poles apart (ie UK and Germany) when it comes to migration
drdel
Tour Rookie
UK's politics on the matter has now degenerated into a political football.
Yvette Cooper says we should do more which I find surprising since the Labour Party claim to represent the 'working class' and especially the lower paid in society yet those are precisely the people who have suffered most from the influx of people who are prepared to work for low pay, zero hours contracts and in the black economy.
The UK land mass is one of the smallest so we have some of the highest population densities in the world. Many ethnic group prefer to live with like minded people from the same cultural backgrounds so rather than integration we have increasing levels of segregation which is causing divisions in towns and cities. Adding significantly more people (frequently young males, rather than families) will cause further unrest from the segregation.
At some stage, if we want to preserve the caring society that makes the UK attractive, we will need to adopt a stronger approach more akin to the measures Australia uses.
That does not mean ignoring the genuine humanitarian need which are caused by rogue, despot leader.
Yvette Cooper says we should do more which I find surprising since the Labour Party claim to represent the 'working class' and especially the lower paid in society yet those are precisely the people who have suffered most from the influx of people who are prepared to work for low pay, zero hours contracts and in the black economy.
The UK land mass is one of the smallest so we have some of the highest population densities in the world. Many ethnic group prefer to live with like minded people from the same cultural backgrounds so rather than integration we have increasing levels of segregation which is causing divisions in towns and cities. Adding significantly more people (frequently young males, rather than families) will cause further unrest from the segregation.
At some stage, if we want to preserve the caring society that makes the UK attractive, we will need to adopt a stronger approach more akin to the measures Australia uses.
That does not mean ignoring the genuine humanitarian need which are caused by rogue, despot leader.
SocketRocket
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The current wave (Swarm) of people migrating to Europe from Africa was not what I was referring to when starting this thread. These people do of course have an impact on UK immigration but not currently by a great amount. The legal levels are what I have concerns for and if these were not so large then taking on some of the Syrian Refugees would not seem so much of an issue, it's when you add them to the tidal wave we are currently absorbing legally (almost to the point of saturation) that it causes concerns.
This country has been a very nice place to live and the reason is that the population has been naturally of a level that does not create stress on the services we have worked hard to build and maintain. Once the population of a country reaches and passes a critical point where support services become creaky or even start to break down then standards of living fall and the place is not so nice anymore. I am not at all convinced by the case that these people work and contribute more than they take out and that we need more and more to support the ageing population. All these arguments have big flaws and are not supported by world historical examples. Sadly we are sailing blindly into the dark like the 'ship of fools' without a firm hand on the tiller.
This country has been a very nice place to live and the reason is that the population has been naturally of a level that does not create stress on the services we have worked hard to build and maintain. Once the population of a country reaches and passes a critical point where support services become creaky or even start to break down then standards of living fall and the place is not so nice anymore. I am not at all convinced by the case that these people work and contribute more than they take out and that we need more and more to support the ageing population. All these arguments have big flaws and are not supported by world historical examples. Sadly we are sailing blindly into the dark like the 'ship of fools' without a firm hand on the tiller.
Tashyboy
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If the current rates of immigration/ migration are acceptable ( and I am not saying they are/are not). What figure of people do we get to of people living in the UK before we say there's to many.
furthermore do we fill this country with an unskilled workforce ?
furthermore do we fill this country with an unskilled workforce ?
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Unskilled ?!
jp5
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Can TashyBoy comprehend that there may be people outside of his direct family that benefit from membership of the EU?
jp5
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It's a hell of a problem.
The UK should be in a position to accept a large number of asylum seekers.
Unfortunately due to many years of underinvestment in housing, cuts to public services, and record levels of legal migration - everyone is feeling squeezed already. When that happens people get nervous and focus on themselves.
That's not the fault of these people risking their lives to find safety, and we should welcome them to our country.
Germany are looking at taking in 800,000 refugees this year. We should be able to take at least 500,000.
The UK should be in a position to accept a large number of asylum seekers.
Unfortunately due to many years of underinvestment in housing, cuts to public services, and record levels of legal migration - everyone is feeling squeezed already. When that happens people get nervous and focus on themselves.
That's not the fault of these people risking their lives to find safety, and we should welcome them to our country.
Germany are looking at taking in 800,000 refugees this year. We should be able to take at least 500,000.
Based on a finger in the air analysis?
jp5
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Based on some our metrics being ~2/3rds of theirs.
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Jeremy Vine was discussing this today and whether it's an EU problem or a world problem, some interesting stats came out, I believe last year Germany took 500,000 (maybe more) immigrants in, we took in 300,000 but our figures include professionals (ie people working in the finance or business sector) Germany's doesn't, and we were accused of not doing enough when we are the 6th richest country on the planet, however, the most interesting stat was that in the same period Japan, who are in the top 5 of richest countries took in 6, yes SIX, it maybe on our borders but I firmly believe the world should be helping.
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Where are these 500,000 people going to live?
jp5
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Tashyboy
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I certainly can comprehend that others do benefit, but I and my immediate family do not benefit, and when it comes to voting to stay in the EU, immigration will be one of many factors in which I will make my decision.
Furthermore, to state we can absorb 500,000 migrants, my point still remains. Why? 500,000. What happens next year and the year after and so on. What do we do then. Who makes the decision we are full and when.
I am am not saying that we should not take any at all. But the leaders of the EU which together by creating open borders, have created this problem. Now they cannot agree on how to solve it. Until they do I fear we will be seeing more heart breaking images similar to the little boy on the beach.
SocketRocket
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500,000 , do people who suggest figures like this stop and consider what that number actually represents. It's more than the population of Bristol or Edinburgh, more than twice twice that of Swindon. A housing crisis!! struth! no wonder, we currently would need to build a house every three minutes to house the current levels of immigration. Also, if anyone thinks the majority of German people are happy with the numbers they are taking then think again, don't believe everything the media tells you.
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I have no idea hence why I asked the question. There is already a housing shortage in this country.
Any suggestions?
