Oh No!! Not the 'I' Word again.

[SocketRocket]

Based on the definition of emigration, it doesn't include students leaving. It only covers those leaving their native country.
It definitely does make sense.

Immigration - people leaving their native countries to come to ours
Emigration - people leaving our native country to go to another.

I am very confident that the emigration figure of 270,000 is the number of British people that have left the UK to live overseas.

It's not from their 'Native Country' but from where they have been 'Normally Residing'.

 

[londonlewis]

It's not from their 'Native Country' but from where they have been 'Normally Residing'.

According to who? ONS?

Can you provide a link to that?

this is the dictionary definition of Emigration;
Emigration is the act of leaving one's native country with the intent to settle elsewhere.

 

[SocketRocket]

According to who? ONS?

Can you provide a link to that?

this is the dictionary definition of Emigration;
Emigration is the act of leaving one's native country with the intent to settle elsewhere.

This report may help with the definition, although it is a little complex:

http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/who-counts-migrant-definitions-and-their-consequences

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I don't agree with anyone who says we have the infrastructure to cope with the increase in population. Two examples:

1) I recently had to take my girlfriend to A&E. The waiting time after being seen by the triage nurse was estimated at 4 hours, in most cases it was longer. The number of native Britons waiting was less than 50%

2) I have been in my current job 7 years. My daily commute used to take 40-45mins, it now takes 1hr15 due to the increased number of cars. When I look at people in cars around me there is once again a very high percentage of non native Britons.

This country is too small to cope with the numbers coming here.

 

[c1973]

I don't agree with anyone who says we have the infrastructure to cope with the increase in population. Two examples:

1) I recently had to take my girlfriend to A&E. The waiting time after being seen by the triage nurse was estimated at 4 hours, in most cases it was longer. The number of native Britons waiting was less than 50%

2) I have been in my current job 7 years. My daily commute used to take 40-45mins, it now takes 1hr15 due to the increased number of cars. When I look at people in cars around me there is once again a very high percentage of non native Britons.

This country is too small to cope with the numbers coming here.

Small point.

How do you know who was a native Briton in a car around you and who wasn't?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Small point.

How do you know who was a native Briton in a car around you and who wasn't?

There were a few clues......eastern European number plates on some of the cars, people talking in foreign languages (summer, stationary traffic, windows open) etc

 

[Farneyman]

You will all enjoy this. Don't forget your history.

This guy tells it well. Worth watching the video clip. Some great jokes.

http://www.theladbible.com/articles...-audience-about-their-country-s-colonial-past

 

[c1973]

There were a few clues......eastern European number plates on some of the cars, people talking in foreign languages (summer, stationary traffic, windows open) etc

Hmmm. I see.

 

[MegaSteve]

I feel London isn't coping too well with the influx of newcomers in recent times...

In the fullness of time [with PROPER government support] the issues will be resolved...
Always been the case in my lifetime anyway...

In the meantime I feel too many are being disadvantaged...
When infant/primary school kids are having to be bussed to get to a school, in a city, something is not right...

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Hmmm. I see.

I work in Southampton which has the largest Polish population in the country (30k out of 240k, more than 10%). It's not difficult to spot a non native person here.

 

[londonlewis]

I don't agree with anyone who says we have the infrastructure to cope with the increase in population. Two examples:

1) I recently had to take my girlfriend to A&E. The waiting time after being seen by the triage nurse was estimated at 4 hours, in most cases it was longer. The number of native Britons waiting was less than 50%

2) I have been in my current job 7 years. My daily commute used to take 40-45mins, it now takes 1hr15 due to the increased number of cars. When I look at people in cars around me there is once again a very high percentage of non native Britons.

This country is too small to cope with the numbers coming here.

1) what was the nationality of the triage nurse and doctor?

2) Are there any roadworks taking place on your daily commute? Have there been any changes to your route?
Have new employers moved to Southampton with similar office hours to yours, which would mean more people commuting at the same time as you?

I don't think you can blame foreigners for commute. Seems pretty narrow minded.

Hope your girlfriend was ok.

 

[SocketRocket]

1) what was the nationality of the triage nurse and doctor?

2) Are there any roadworks taking place on your daily commute? Have there been any changes to your route?
Have new employers moved to Southampton with similar office hours to yours, which would mean more people commuting at the same time as you?

I don't think you can blame foreigners for commute. Seems pretty narrow minded.

Hope your girlfriend was ok.

You are trying to ignore the Elephant in the room.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I don't agree with anyone who says we have the infrastructure to cope with the increase in population. Two examples:

1) I recently had to take my girlfriend to A&E. The waiting time after being seen by the triage nurse was estimated at 4 hours, in most cases it was longer. The number of native Britons waiting was less than 50%

2) I have been in my current job 7 years. My daily commute used to take 40-45mins, it now takes 1hr15 due to the increased number of cars. When I look at people in cars around me there is once again a very high percentage of non native Britons.

This country is too small to cope with the numbers coming here.

On what grounds is it 'too small' Loads of empty space about if you have a look around. The NEA (http://uknea.unep-wcmc.org/) calculates that 6.8% of the UK's land area is now classified as urban (a definition that includes rural development and roads).

 

[londonlewis]

You are trying to ignore the Elephant in the room.

I tend to ignore people who are condescending, yes.

 

[SocketRocket]

On what grounds is it 'too small' Loads of empty space about if you have a look around. The NEA (http://uknea.unep-wcmc.org/) calculates that 6.8% of the UK's land area is now classified as urban (a definition that includes rural development and roads).

You know very well what he was saying but choose to misrepresent it. He was referring to services not being able to cope with the numbers not whether it was possible to build houses over the whole country.

 

[SocketRocket]

I tend to ignore people who are condescending, yes.

Difficult to ignore Elephants in rooms though.

 

[londonlewis]

Difficult to ignore Elephants in rooms though.

So far there has been little evidence to support any emotional argument being made about the immigration levels in the UK. That's all we have had, emotional opinions dressed up as facts.
I find it very difficult to ever agree with people that say 'sorry foreigners, we're full!'. I find it a very narrow minded mindset.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You know very well what he was saying but choose to misrepresent it. He was referring to services not being able to cope with the numbers not whether it was possible to build houses over the whole country.

Services is infrastructure is public spending - that can always be provided by a government so inclined. Statements like the country is 'too small' or 'full up' are emotive and simply about space and yes - within the boundaries of a country that is limited. But Britain isn't physically too small or full up - these are just terms used to strike fear into the populace.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Difficult to ignore Elephants in rooms though.

Does it matter whether the elephants are Indian or African?

 

[FairwayDodger]

I didn't mind immigrants but when they started bringing their elephants it was too much. Close the borders!