Official WHS Survey

[IanM]

Federation here have just emailed to say only GP scores to handicap or better will be accepted from 1st Jan

Like the "old days" when you "put your card in" from a Society Day etc if you smashed your handicap!
Everything else didn't count unless it was a club competition.

One issue of the current system is that some players put in every score, some put in no GP scores at all, and everyone else is somewhere on the continuum. Big inconsistencies of both activity and oversight. Virtually impossible to manage with current approach.

 

[Thintowin]

Like the "old days" when you "put your card in" from a Society Day etc if you smashed your handicap!
Everything else didn't count unless it was a club competition.

One issue of the current system is that some players put in every score, some put in no GP scores at all, and everyone else is somewhere on the continuum. Big inconsistencies of both activity and oversight. Virtually impossible to manage with current approach.

A patch on a nonsense of a system and makes sense if you accept we're stuck with this. What federation I wonder?

 

[IanM]

A patch on a nonsense of a system and makes sense if you accept we're stuck with this. What federation I wonder?

Not sure what your "federation" question refers too. (Sorry)

The new system is a very different metric to the old one. Not nearly enough effort was made in selling/explaining the differences to "yer average golfer!"

All I saw was waffle about growing the game and portability. The implications of it are the source of much of the chatter on here.

Doesn't matter if I/we accept we're stuck with it, it is what has been imposed. Can't see anyone in authority suddenly doing a U Turn and removing it.

Users find ways of circumventing problems. Not ideal, but that's what happens. Examples are all over this forum, good and bad.

Mind you, most of the folk I play with never read forums like this, and just get on playing as they always have. They never put in GP cards. Another younger group I know, often do. Both seem relatively happy with the game.

Folk moaned about bandits before whs, they moaned why CSS hadn't changed etc etc. Twas ever thus!

I'm not wild about all of it, but I won't let it spoil my day!

 

[AussieKB]

Not sure what your "federation" question refers too. (Sorry)

The new system is a very different metric to the old one. Not nearly enough effort was made in selling/explaining the differences to "yer average golfer!"

All I saw was waffle about growing the fame and portability. The implications of it are the source of much of the chatter on here.

Doesn't matter if I/we accept we're stuck with it, it is what has been imposed. Can't see anyone in authority suddenly doing a U Turn and removing it.

Users find ways of circumventing problems. Not ideal, but that's what happens. Examples are all over this forum, good and bad.

Mind you, most of the folk I play with never read forums like this, and just get on playing as they always have. They never put in GP cards. Another younger group I know, often do. Both seem relatively happy with the game.

Folk moaned about bandits before whs, they moaned why CSS hadn't changed etc etc. Twas ever thus!

I'm not wild about all of it, but I won't let it spoil my day!

Agree......we are stuck with this system whether we like it (high handicap) or hate it (low handicap)

 

[clubchamp98]

Federation here have just emailed to say only GP scores to handicap or better will be accepted from 1st Jan

Due to 'some players' putting in lots of GP rounds to increase hcap before big prize comps

I'd rather they just dealt with the 'some players' instead of penalising the whole community

That’s against the whole of WHS surely.

Big crack in the system and admitting a major problem.

 

[Thintowin]

Agree......we are stuck with this system whether we like it (high handicap) or hate it (low handicap)

Not sure if we are stuck with it at all. There's certainly an appetite for it to change significantly. We can't put cards in from 1 November until 1 April. The concept of a system that is based on form is therefore a nonsense here. It has to change. Golfers will make that happen. Stuff only persists if it's good and WHS is not.

 

[Thintowin]

Federation here have just emailed to say only GP scores to handicap or better will be accepted from 1st Jan

Due to 'some players' putting in lots of GP rounds to increase hcap before big prize comps

I'd rather they just dealt with the 'some players' instead of penalising the whole community

Which federation is that?

 

[clubchamp98]

Not sure if we are stuck with it at all. There's certainly an appetite for it to change significantly. We can't put cards in from 1 November until 1 April. The concept of a system that is based on form is therefore a nonsense here. It has to change. Golfers will make that happen. Stuff only persists if it's good and WHS is not.

I agree.
The course set up in most of the UK dosnt suit the system.
Just not taken course conditions in winter into consideration enough.
Some will be ok ,most won’t due to weather and course work programs.

 

[IanM]

I've not put a card in since September. But I've played plenty of golf since then.

One club I'm at persists in playing qualifiers when the course wasn't in any sort of state to play serious golf. So, we've kept out of those competitions.

It doesn't matter what the regs or club says. We made our own minds up.

 

[D-S]

Not sure if we are stuck with it at all. There's certainly an appetite for it to change significantly. We can't put cards in from 1 November until 1 April. The concept of a system that is based on form is therefore a nonsense here. It has to change. Golfers will make that happen. Stuff only persists if it's good and WHS is not.

Many, if not most, clubs do allow or are able to accept scores for handicap 12 months a year. I know you have accused many respondents to posts of being 'pub golfers' and having no experience of club golf but perhaps your experience is not the broadest?

 

[D-S]

Which federation is that?

Slab is based in Mauritius, so I assume the federation that governs golf there. The Mauritius Golf Federation?

 

[Slab]

Slab is based in Mauritius, so I assume the federation that governs golf there. The Mauritius Golf Federation?

Yup, it's not difficult for any of us to find the scores history for the 'some players' they're taking about so it seems strange that they don't just impose the GP restriction on them

It won't really affect my score submission very much if at all but it seems a sledgehammer/ walnut kind of fix . They obviously know who they're targeting

 

[rulefan]

I agree.
The course set up in most of the UK dosnt suit the system.
Just not taken course conditions in winter into consideration enough.
Some will be ok ,most won’t due to weather and course work programs.

Wasn't that the case before WHS. No official rating for SSS was done in the winter

 

[wjemather]

Federation here have just emailed to say only GP scores to handicap or better will be accepted from 1st Jan

Due to 'some players' putting in lots of GP rounds to increase hcap before big prize comps

I'd rather they just dealt with the 'some players' instead of penalising the whole community

Yep - exactly what Martin Slumbers was saying - don't penalise everyone when it's better to identify and deal with the small number of problem individuals.
Good scores only is a ridiculous policy, especially for those who do not play an abundance of competitions, that can only result in handicaps lower than actual ability - defeating the primary objective of the system.

 

[clubchamp98]

Wasn't that the case before WHS. No official rating for SSS was done in the winter

Why does what happened in the past always get brought up.

They were designing a new system but made the same error.
Whs basically needs an all year round course.
Sadly to many in the UK are not.

 

[rulefan]

Why does what happened in the past always get brought up.

Because many people here are saying that WHS isn't as good as what we had before.

WHS is not the Course Rating system. It was originally deigned for the US which has more extreme weather conditions and where they have (and already had) Active and Inactive seasons by State. Perhaps the ROW should think about it.

 

[IanM]

Why does what happened in the past always get brought up.

They were designing a new system but made the same error.
Whs basically needs an all year round course.
Sadly to many in the UK are not.

What's wrong with just accepting that some courses have an off season and suspend qualifiers in that period? Every course is different.

One place I play only had full tees in play for 5 months this year.

Play the other tomorrow, proper everything and bone dry.

 

[rulie]

Because many people here are saying that WHS isn't as good as what we had before.

WHS is not the Course Rating system. It was originally deigned for the US which has more extreme weather conditions and where they have (and already had) Active and Inactive seasons by State. Perhaps the ROW should think about it.

Each province in Canada has its own active and inactive season. While we often play regularly in the “inactive” time period, using our HI for games, scores are not eligible to be posted for handicap purposes.
A late edit - our course does not use temporary greens, but we do use temporary tees on the par three holes in early spring and late fall. Typical season is from March 15 to November 11, shut down in off season.

 

[Dunesman]

Federation here have just emailed to say only GP scores to handicap or better will be accepted from 1st Jan

Whatever about clubs doing their own thing, thats quite a few local 'variations' being implemented, suggesting everyone is looking for sticking plasters for the WHS problems : GP cards not as valuable as competition cards for EG ; 0.95% for single is too high for Aus Golf ; indexes not trustworthy enough for club representation eligibility in Ireland, some GP cards not acceptable in Mauritius. Scotland was doing its own thing on rounding, but has it now joined England ? And thats just from various contributors here. It certainly makes a mockery of the claim that we needed WHS so we would have one worldwide system. And worse, given such regional fixes, it confirms that WHS is inherently flawed, and that not just individual golfers, but regional associations do not trust it.

 

[wjemather]

Whatever about clubs doing their own thing, thats quite a few local 'variations' being implemented, suggesting everyone is looking for sticking plasters for the WHS problems : GP cards not as valuable as competition cards for EG ; 0.95% for single is too high for Aus Golf ; indexes not trustworthy enough for club representation eligibility in Ireland, some GP cards not acceptable in Mauritius. Scotland was doing its own thing on rounding, but has it now joined England ? And thats just from various contributors here. It certainly makes a mockery of the claim that we needed WHS so we would have one worldwide system. And worse, given such regional fixes, it confirms that WHS is inherently flawed, and that not just individual golfers, but regional associations do not trust it.

Almost everything in this post is inaccurate. You are reaching conclusions to suit your opinion of WHS by using misrepresentation of the facts, fallacy, and no little imagination.