New national lockdown from this Wed?

Ethan said:
There is a need for understandable policy, but one of the huge risk factors is being in close proximity indoors. The risk outside is dramatically lower and with social distancing, negligible. England Golf put in place sensible rules on touching the flags etc, and all clubs have procedures on clubhouse access etc. There is no meaningful risk in golf under these procedures. Arguably, they who must not be named should be encouraging people to get out and walk, run, play golf, play tennis, fly a kite and do other socially distanced stuff.
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Not sure about Tennis .
Would you not be handling the same balls as your opponent.
Golf is unique where nobody touches your ball or equipment at all.
If were all in it together I can’t see courses staying open.
 
Tashyboy said:
which was a PP ? The day he had his test result through was the day I had my isolation warning, straight to the course, straight home. Another PP had the exact same Covid alert and had to isolate for the same time.
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You can see how this happened. Although you most likely stayed your distance from each other I bet you put your bags next to each other on every tee shot. Phones in bags?
 
hovis said:
You can see how this happened. Although you most likely stayed your distance from each other I bet you put your bags next to each other on every tee shot. Phones in bags?
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We have said exactly the same, the problem is, I was at kids football when my alert came through. Not ideal. Other PP who got the alert was at the course. He mentioned it to his PPs and that all said they would turn off there Covid apps. That don’t help at all.
 
Tashyboy said:
We have said exactly the same, the problem is, I was at kids football when my alert came through. Not ideal. Other PP who got the alert was at the course. He mentioned it to his PPs and that all said they would turn off there Covid apps. That don’t help at all.
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We have to turn our off at work but we wear ppe.
The gym I used to work at have a pigeon hole system behind the counter where customers can leave their phone, wallet and keys. So now you have 80 phones all within a meter of each other. One got a possitve test and took 79 down with him ?. That's some oversight
 
This petition thing is going to show golf, and golfers in a very poor light. We will come across as self indulgent, arrogant, self entitled, elite, snobby, with zero sympathy for the plight of others.
It doesn't help the image golf has with the general public. Even the name on the petition is a bit what the public might expect. It's lucky the guy isn't a Colonel.

Golf courses are huge areas of land, that can, and should be used for the benefit of all during the lock down, and not just the selfish few.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
This bold part is exactly t right, but it is not recognised and adhered to by the general public .it isn't emphasised enough by the authorities.
It is the breathing of others expelled air either indoors or being too close together that has spread this virus.
So, on the face of it, playing golf , being outdoors, shouldn't contribute to the problem.
But, it can and does if those playing don't social distance. And from what I've seen at my club there are too many who don't.
Groups all close together talking etc very close, and though outside, it's clear they are breathing each others air.
Thus the virus will spread.
It's a fact that that will happen at all sports gatherings , and this lockdown is a month long severe effort to get the figures down and stop this virus overrunning us.
Not playing golf for a month isn't a lot to ask in the face of our country's problem.
Not going to be a popular opinion, but it is disappointing to see each particular interest vying so hard to keep their wishes going, each wanting to be the exception.
I want to play golf as much as the next man, but can't we make an effort for the next month?
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Social distancing doesn't need to be as distant, so to speak, outside. Of course you can breathe in someone else's breath but the dose of virus that reaches you outside is more diluted by dispersal than it is inside. It also requires a degree of prolonged contact, and 15 minutes is generally accepted as the time needed, so in my opinion, standing 1 metre away from someone for 5 minutes on the putting green or tee is not a significant risk.

Anyway, looks like it is banned and I doubt the petition (which I have signed) will change that.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
This bold part is exactly t right, but it is not recognised and adhered to by the general public .it isn't emphasised enough by the authorities.
It is the breathing of others expelled air either indoors or being too close together that has spread this virus.
So, on the face of it, playing golf , being outdoors, shouldn't contribute to the problem.
But, it can and does if those playing don't social distance. And from what I've seen at my club there are too many who don't.
Groups all close together talking etc very close, and though outside, it's clear they are breathing each others air.
Thus the virus will spread.
It's a fact that that will happen at all sports gatherings , and this lockdown is a month long severe effort to get the figures down and stop this virus overrunning us.
Not playing golf for a month isn't a lot to ask in the face of our country's problem.
Not going to be a popular opinion, but it is disappointing to see each particular interest vying so hard to keep their wishes going, each wanting to be the exception.
I want to play golf as much as the next man, but can't we make an effort for the next month?
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I think the point most are trying to make is that golf is being thrown in with gyms, leisure centres, bowling alleys and the like, all indoor settings, when nobody, but nobody, has set out any clear scientific reason why golf cannot be perfectly safe. It’s that which is causing all the angst.

We are, in essence, being told that what we have been doing since May by playing golf has not been safe. Has the science changed since May? No, of course not. I do hear what you’re saying in that the transmission occurs when we breathe in someone else’s exhaled breath, but the risk of aerosol transmission is known to be in indoor, poorly ventilated settings. You can’t get much more ventilated at this time of year than the great British outdoors!

I am absolutely more than happy to follow guidance which is based on a balanced and sound rationale. Whilst I will not play golf for the duration of this lockdown, I am far less happy about it as the underpinning rationale is, according to those in the know, so weak as to be virtually non-existent.

All I really ask, and I think it’s a question we are all entitled to know the answer to, is just why an outdoor sport practiced by small groups is being dealt with in the same way as indoor activities. If someone can provide me with an answer based upon science, not perception or anything else, then I will sit back with a good book until all this is over, and stop worrying about my WHS handicap index.
 
clubchamp98 said:
Not sure about Tennis .
Would you not be handling the same balls as your opponent.
Golf is unique where nobody touches your ball or equipment at all.
If were all in it together I can’t see courses staying open.
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Tennis is the game of the Political classes so obviously will stay open....
 
I’m amazed in a golf forum that some don’t even want to support golf. Do you even like your pro or the staff in the clubhouse? Do you deserve a tee time when it all blows over?
Mind blowing.
 
Jamesbrown said:
I’m amazed in a golf forum that some don’t even want to support golf. Do you even like your pro or the staff in the clubhouse? Do you deserve a tee time when it all blows over?
Mind blowing.
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I don't think it's a case of not supporting golf. I think it's split between some people do as they're told plain and simple and other people dare to stick a foot out and be upset and annoyed and want justification
 
hovis said:
I don't think it's a case of not supporting golf. I think it's split between some people do as they're told plain and simple and other people dare to stick a foot out and be upset and annoyed and want justification
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It's not helped by the blatant contradiction in the new rules. You can meet outside with one other person from another household but you specifically can't play golf with them. My wife can continue to go running with her friend 3 times a week, her friend can go cycling with her sister still, but i can't play golf in 2 balls as i did last time around. That's inconsistent. That is where the grumpiness comes from.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
It's not helped by the blatant contradiction in the new rules. You can meet outside with one other person from another household but you specifically can't play golf with them. My wife can continue to go running with her friend 3 times a week, her friend can go cycling with her sister still, but i can't play golf in 2 balls as i did last time around. That's inconsistent. That is where the grumpiness comes from.
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I couldn't agree more. I would find it easier to swallow if they said you can't leave your house for anything other that food for 4 weeks. But the fact that I can't get in my boat on a 200 acre lake for a day's fishing is crazy when my mates are going on running dates
 
Jamesbrown said:
I’m amazed in a golf forum that some don’t even want to support golf. Do you even like your pro or the staff in the clubhouse? Do you deserve a tee time when it all blows over?
Mind blowing.
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Oh, please. Stop trying to portray yourself as golf’s saviour.

What I see here is the vast majority of contributors extremely unhappy at what they see as a decision lacking any basis. Many are signing a petition to try and get this revisited and I am sure others will have emailed either EG or their own local golf union. A very small minority have said they will follow the guidance without question, as not to do so shows our sport in a poor light. I understand and respect their stance, although I don’t agree with them.

You are ploughing a lone furrow, saying unequivocally that you will continue to play at your own club, defying government guidelines. By doing so, if this plays out as we all seem to believe it will, you will also be defying EG and your own club’s guidance, as they will doubtless issue instruction that prevents us all playing.

I have read what you have to say. I absolutely understand your wish to play golf. We all share your wish to play the sport we love. But I simply can’t agree that thumbing your nose at everything and everybody is an approach that anyone should adopt.

My view? If you were a member at my club, and you were the only one to defy a closure and continue playing when everyone else respected the decision to shut, even though they are doubtless as opposed to that decision as you are? When things return to normal I would be lobbying the club to have you thrown out.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
It's not helped by the blatant contradiction in the new rules. You can meet outside with one other person from another household but you specifically can't play golf with them. My wife can continue to go running with her friend 3 times a week, her friend can go cycling with her sister still, but i can't play golf in 2 balls as i did last time around. That's inconsistent. That is where the grumpiness comes from.
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How many people need to work, make a journey to ”allow” you to play golf compared to how many need to be there to ”allow” your wife to go running or her friend to go cycling?

We seem to be forgetting the health and well being of those employed by golf courses and their families.
 
PhilTheFragger said:
True
But it’s got 33k + signatures already, if it reaches 100k then it gets debated in parliament.
It’s democracy in action , I obviously don’t agree with the current decision, but if it is upheld, then I will respect it
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Now nearly 104k, so should be debated.

As others have said, if the ban stands I'll abide by it, but I cannot see any justification for it. Clubhouse closure I get, but with an almost negligible risk of transmission, I'd like someone in Government to explain WHY we can't.
 
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