New national lockdown from this Wed?

Ethan said:
This is a reasonable petition, although it misses one critical element, that the risk of transmission outdoors is very low.
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True
But it’s got 33k + signatures already, if it reaches 100k then it gets debated in parliament.
It’s democracy in action , I obviously don’t agree with the current decision, but if it is upheld, then I will respect it
 
Imo golf is off.

Theres a bigger argument that not everyone needs to be in lockdown imo but as we are treating everyone equally. Golfers won't get a pass.

He tried localisation and limited restrictions. Enough people didn't stick to it. So now it's back to the cliche of we're all in this together.

Didnt consider it last time, but come march a decision may need to be made on golf. I'm happy to support a club for a year but if we have 4/5 years of this as some reports suggest then I'm not sure it's worth it.
 
Papas1982 said:
Imo golf is off.

Theres a bigger argument that not everyone needs to be in lockdown imo but as we are treating everyone equally. Golfers won't get a pass.

He tried localisation and limited restrictions. Enough people didn't stick to it. So now it's back to the cliche of we're all in this together.

Didnt consider it last time, but come march a decision may need to be made on golf. I'm happy to support a club for a year but if we have 4/5 years of this as some reports suggest then I'm not sure it's worth it.
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There is a need for understandable policy, but one of the huge risk factors is being in close proximity indoors. The risk outside is dramatically lower and with social distancing, negligible. England Golf put in place sensible rules on touching the flags etc, and all clubs have procedures on clubhouse access etc. There is no meaningful risk in golf under these procedures. Arguably, they who must not be named should be encouraging people to get out and walk, run, play golf, play tennis, fly a kite and do other socially distanced stuff.
 
Ethan said:
This is a reasonable petition, although it misses one critical element, that the risk of transmission outdoors is very low.
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Ethan said:
There is a need for understandable policy, but one of the huge risk factors is being in close proximity indoors. The risk outside is dramatically lower and with social distancing, negligible. England Golf put in place sensible rules on touching the flags etc, and all clubs have procedures on clubhouse access etc. There is no meaningful risk in golf under these procedures. Arguably, they who must not be named should be encouraging people to get out and walk, run, play golf, play tennis, fly a kite and do other socially distanced stuff.
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For the interests of the forum what is the percentage of risk?

Low risk for me is 30%, low risk for others may differ and numbers may comfort some.
 
Ethan said:
There is a need for understandable policy, but one of the huge risk factors is being in close proximity indoors. The risk outside is dramatically lower and with social distancing, negligible. England Golf put in place sensible rules on touching the flags etc, and all clubs have procedures on clubhouse access etc. There is no meaningful risk in golf under these procedures. Arguably, they who must not be named should be encouraging people to get out and walk, run, play golf, play tennis, fly a kite and do other socially distanced stuff.
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I couldn’t agree more.

Instead golf, and similar outdoor activities, have been swept up with the same broom and a blanket ban imposed. EG went to great lengths to get us all playing again in May, and we are effectively now being told that wasn’t safe. I’m not aware of a single case of covid being transmitted in our clubhouse, never mind out on the course.

There is a lot more at stake here than just the virus. Mental and physical well being are incredibly important as well, and yet this announcement, and more specifically the detail of it, just seems rushed with swathes of it lacking any sort of rationale. I greeted the first lockdown with some positivity - if it had to be done for the greater good then so be it. This time round I have a real sense of despair, as though we seem to be learning nothing.
 
The lockdown is a way of buying time to reduce the peak load on the health services and allow research time.

It will not eradicate the virus, if people followed the advice to reduce interaction it would have allowed headway for the NHS.

Finding better treatments is the only solution to a pandemic. Wittering about it is hot air.
 
drdel said:
The lockdown is a way of buying time to reduce the peak load on the health services and allow research time.

It will not eradicate the virus, if people followed the advice to reduce interaction it would have allowed headway for the NHS.

Finding better treatments is the only solution to a pandemic. Wittering about it is hot air.
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Spot on, but better treatments are what every country is striving for and lets hope it comes soon
 
Ethan said:
There is a need for understandable policy, but one of the huge risk factors is being in close proximity indoors. The risk outside is dramatically lower and with social distancing, negligible. England Golf put in place sensible rules on touching the flags etc, and all clubs have procedures on clubhouse access etc. There is no meaningful risk in golf under these procedures. Arguably, they who must not be named should be encouraging people to get out and walk, run, play golf, play tennis, fly a kite and do other socially distanced stuff.
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I fully appreciate being outside is significantly safer. I just don't for one second think that the government will change their stance as its clear they've given up on placing trust in small groups (counties) and have decided to treat everyone the same.
 
I had an Covid alert come through on my phone After a round of golf. Had to isolate for 9 days. Make of that what you will. ?
 
I totally understand why all golf courses will be closed - it is the perception issue - if gyms and leisure centres are closing which are likely to be sources of contagion, then the general public will look at golf and simply say "how come they can still play?" without understanding the nuances involved in making the game safe. So yes we have to pay the price for the morons in society.

Unfortunately the one poster on here who has already stated he will ignore the law and carry on playing falls into that category. If any of our members try that after Thursday, they are going to find themselves not playing for a very long time.
 
Tashyboy said:
I had an Covid alert come through on my phone After a round of golf. Had to isolate for 9 days. Make of that what you will. ?
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That doesn't mean it come from the course. It means some one that you have recently been in contact with tested possitve
 
Pathetic Shark said:
I totally understand why all golf courses will be closed - it is the perception issue - if gyms and leisure centres are closing which are likely to be sources of contagion, then the general public will look at golf and simply say "how come they can still play?" without understanding the nuances involved in making the game safe. So yes we have to pay the price for the morons in society.

Unfortunately the one poster on here who has already stated he will ignore the law and carry on playing falls into that category. If any of our members try that after Thursday, they are going to find themselves not playing for a very long time.
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and that sums it up perfectly for me.
 
drdel said:
The lockdown is a way of buying time to reduce the peak load on the health services and allow research time.

It will not eradicate the virus, if people followed the advice to reduce interaction it would have allowed headway for the NHS.

Finding better treatments is the only solution to a pandemic. Wittering about it is hot air.
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Actually, an effective and brutal lockdown would go some way to eradicate the virus. If it can't propagate, it dies. If it can't transmit, it can't propagate.

Treatments are only part of the answer. Dexa is only useful if you are on oxygenation, and even then the cure rate is modest. Remdesivir is turning out not to be the magic bullet some thought it was, the regeneron antibody cocktail is likewise showing some issues and is very expensive and not scalable. There is no early intervention treatment known to meaningfully reduce the risk of reaching ICU.

Vaccination is the biggest weapon, but current JCVI proposals are to not vaccinate everyone, only those over 50 or care home/NHS workers, and vulnerable people. That leaves a lot of people capable of experiencing serious morbidity uncovered. The policy is clearly still a herd immunity lite (that dare not speak its name) approach.

This thing has a long way to run yet, and Lockdown III is likely in early 2021 after a Christmas shopping/party/kids coming back from Uni surge kicks in.
 
hovis said:
That doesn't mean it come from the course. It means some one that you have recently been in contact with tested possitve
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which was a PP ? The day he had his test result through was the day I had my isolation warning, straight to the course, straight home. Another PP had the exact same Covid alert and had to isolate for the same time.
 
Ethan said:
There is a need for understandable policy, but one of the huge risk factors is being in close proximity indoors. The risk outside is dramatically lower and with social distancing, negligible. England Golf put in place sensible rules on touching the flags etc, and all clubs have procedures on clubhouse access etc. There is no meaningful risk in golf under these procedures. Arguably, they who must not be named should be encouraging people to get out and walk, run, play golf, play tennis, fly a kite and do other socially distanced stuff.
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This bold part is exactly t right, but it is not recognised and adhered to by the general public .it isn't emphasised enough by the authorities.
It is the breathing of others expelled air either indoors or being too close together that has spread this virus.
So, on the face of it, playing golf , being outdoors, shouldn't contribute to the problem.
But, it can and does if those playing don't social distance. And from what I've seen at my club there are too many who don't.
Groups all close together talking etc very close, and though outside, it's clear they are breathing each others air.
Thus the virus will spread.
It's a fact that that will happen at all sports gatherings , and this lockdown is a month long severe effort to get the figures down and stop this virus overrunning us.
Not playing golf for a month isn't a lot to ask in the face of our country's problem.
Not going to be a popular opinion, but it is disappointing to see each particular interest vying so hard to keep their wishes going, each wanting to be the exception.
I want to play golf as much as the next man, but can't we make an effort for the next month?
 
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