New ball flight laws

[MadAdey]

Push-draw, push-fade and pull-fade were correct for clubface/swingpath.

nb:alignment also comes into play and should have been part of your answer :ears:


Have you figured out how to hit a push-hook yet?

Give me a fooking chance mate..... Just starting to get my head around this after thinking the old way for over 20 years.

The push hook.......would that be a severe in to out swing with the club face closed to the swing path?

Anyway mate, as ever very enlightening chatting with you. The girlfriend is leaving for her Christmas with her mates at 7. So I have set myself with a little cheeky date myself......12 pack of Stella, a pizza and Tottenham V Chelsea........:whoo:

 

[HawkeyeMS]

This is fascinating stuff, I've just had a bit of a read of the basics and it's amazing how wrong they got it the first time.

Just thinking about my new fade swing and bearing in mind I've only read the basics. If I'm standing aligned left of the target and my ball flight starts pretty much on my target line and fades back, am I right in saying that my clubface is angled pretty much on the target line but my swing path is slightly out to in which generates the spin?

Furthermore, occasionally I'll hit a shot that starts straight and slices. This is probably caused by the clubface being more open at impact but the swing path being the same. This would start the ball fairly straight but would slice rather than fade because the difference between path and face angles is greater?

 

[wull]

a push draw would be hit with a in to out swing with a slightly open face at impact.

for instance the in to out swing path could be something like 9 degree's and if the clubface was open 4 or 5 degree's then this would cause a lovely draw.......

this was highlighted in a magazine of late with justin rose on the trackman.the numbers above were the ones he was getting and producing a lovely draw.

or would you call this a normal draw?

 

[MadAdey]

a push draw would be hit with a in to out swing with a slightly open face at impact.

for instance the in to out swing path could be something like 9 degree's and if the clubface was open 4 or 5 degree's then this would cause a lovely draw.......

this was highlighted in a magazine of late with justin rose on the trackman.the numbers above were the ones he was getting and producing a lovely draw.

or would you call this a normal draw?

Sounds like my shot with the driver. I swing in to out and have the face slightly open at address

 

[JustOne]

Just thinking about my new fade swing and bearing in mind I've only read the basics. If I'm standing aligned left of the target and my ball flight starts pretty much on my target line and fades back, am I right in saying that my clubface is angled pretty much on the target line but my swing path is slightly out to in which generates the spin?

If you are opening your stance then you need the clubface pointing just a little left of the intended target and swing along the line of your toes. The ball will start a little left of target then fade right onto the pin.

Furthermore, occasionally I'll hit a shot that starts straight and slices. This is probably caused by the clubface being more open at impact but the swing path being the same. This would start the ball fairly straight but would slice rather than fade because the difference between path and face angles is greater?

... is correct.

 

[SocketRocket]

Answering the OP's question on why his irons create a different effect to his driver.

If you consider the 'D Plane' it is the angle created between the direction vector the clubface sweetspot points and the direction vector the swingpath points at impact. The balls axis of rotation will lie on the angle formed between these two vectors. The more loft you have on the clubface the steeper the upper vector will point, thus shallowing the angle of the 'D Plane'

In writing this I can see it's not easy to understand so please look at the attached video, it explains how the lower the loft the more sidespin is created, the higher the loft the more sidespin. This is why it's harder to create sidespin with a wedge than a driver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUZ3VYj0oiQ