Minimum Price Alcohol in Scotland

patricks148 said:
its not the monks getting rich, they still view it a tonic wine and hardly ever see it in shops in England to the extent you do in Scotland. I think its the Scottish Distributor that has made a fortune selling to to Numpties TBH
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The Monks [Company] have been asked many times to reduce the caffine [no reason for it being there] but they refuse. Not what I would call a Christian attitude, along with Monks driving Bentleys.
Without the caffine it would just be like any other fortified wind, still perfectly 'sellable' and reducing the disadvantage of 'wired drunks'.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
The Monks [Company] have been asked many times to reduce the caffine [no reason for it being there] but they refuse. Not what I would call a Christian attitude, along with Monks driving Bentleys.
Without the caffine it would just be like any other fortified wind, still perfectly 'sellable' and reducing the disadvantage of 'wired drunks'.
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trouble is its only drunks in Scotland that drink this. I was at Uni with a guy who was from close to the abbey and he was astounded that it was abused the way it is and could not believe any one would drink the stuff let along hardened drinkers.

i would also be surprised if any of the monks drove Bentleys
 
patricks148 said:
trouble is its only drunks in Scotland that drink this. I was at Uni with a guy who was from close to the abbey and he was astounded that it was abused the way it is and could not believe any one would drink the stuff let along hardened drinkers.

i would also be surprised if any of the monks drove Bentleys
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The Monk in charge of the business side does.
His factory is based in Andover, no link to the Abbey.
As you say Patricks the Scots agent does very well.

The serious Jakeys cannot afford Buckfast and drink much cheaper fortified wine without the caffine.
Their children drink white cider.:o

Whilst my missus was incarcerated in Darlington Hospital I visited the local 'Spar' shop for some snacks.
I was amazed to see shelves of 3L bottles of white cider in the shop. I remember thinking. 'wow who drinks this stuff'.
Looks like Wales will follow the minimum price route as well.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
The Monk in charge of the business side does.
His factory is based in Andover, no link to the Abbey.
As you say Patricks the Scots agent does very well.

The serious Jakeys cannot afford Buckfast and drink much cheaper fortified wine without the caffine.
Their children drink white cider.:o

Whilst my missus was incarcerated in Darlington Hospital I visited the local 'Spar' shop for some snacks.
I was amazed to see shelves of 3L bottles of white cider in the shop. I remember thinking. 'wow who drinks this stuff'.
Looks like Wales will follow the minimum price route as well.
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maybes all made now under licence from the Abbey and they pay them for the name etc, funds the Abbey and the order. i did visit there once and took a tour. the monks were still making it them i think, but that was early 90';s.
Times have changed drinking wise, we i was a lad, we went to the pub at 6 or 7 on a friday and Sat, were hammered by 11 and home by midnight. these youngsters are drinking this crap at home then going out at midnight to bars open till 2 , then a club tlll 4 or 4 in the morning
 
patricks148 said:
maybes all made now under licence from the Abbey and they pay them for the name etc, funds the Abbey and the order. i did visit there once and took a tour. the monks were still making it them i think, but that was early 90';s.
Times have changed drinking wise, we i was a lad, we went to the pub at 6 or 7 on a friday and Sat, were hammered by 11 and home by midnight. these youngsters are drinking this crap at home then going out at midnight to bars open till 2 , then a club tlll 4 or 4 in the morning
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Lucky you........weniweralad the pubs closed at 10pm. :(
 
...and so it is cleared to be passed into law in Scotland. This means that a 3litre bottle of Frosty Jacks cider (7.5% proof) will no longer cost me £3.69 but will now cost me £11. Well that's scuppered my fave and cheapest way of getting utterly plastered. And that's a good thing.
 
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Booze Run to England anyone??

In all seriousness, i'm not sure it will work. the poorest in society with a drink problem will still more than likely have the same problem, just now they will be even poorer.

Not seen any mention of the extra cash raised being put into alcohol rehab and education, or does it just mean producers make more money?
 
Seems like a sure fire why of getting kids hooked on illegal drugs as they won't be able to afford alcohol.

Who is going to pay 11.50 for frosty jacks. :rofl:
 
patricks148 said:
Booze Run to England anyone??

In all seriousness, i'm not sure it will work. the poorest in society with a drink problem will still more than likely have the same problem, just now they will be even poorer.

Not seen any mention of the extra cash raised being put into alcohol rehab and education, or does it just mean producers make more money?
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Hopefully the former.

It is unlikely to make any difference to the alcoholic who will get drunk whatever - but if it reduces the general level of uncontrolled drunkeness especially among the young - then hopefully fewer will be regretting their drunkenness whilst sitting in a police cell or on a criminal record.
 
Cooking Whisky up from £11 to £13.......I shall just have to settle for the single malts now....no price change there.

The chemical cider industry will be gutted.
The daftest thing is that Buckfast is not affected by price as it is now more expensive to buy than a decent port.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Cooking Whisky up from £11 to £13.......I shall just have to settle for the single malts now....no price change there.

The chemical cider industry will be gutted.
The daftest thing is that Buckfast is not affected by price as it is now more expensive to buy than a decent port.
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Thing is at least the cheap cider came in plastic bottles, the amount of broken bottles around the islands and River Ness is a nightmare for dog walkers, Kayliegh had a cut paw from broken glass last week, £300 vet bill later, because of neds smashing Buckie bottles all over the place.
 
patricks148 said:
Thing is at least the cheap cider came in plastic bottles, the amount of broken bottles around the islands and River Ness is a nightmare for dog walkers, Kayliegh had a cut paw from broken glass last week, £300 vet bill later, because of neds smashing Buckie bottles all over the place.
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Have you not been watching the news recently? The move is away from plastic and back to glass. Is people smashing bottles a common thing? Not being funny, it does not happen near to me so I am wondering if it is a localised problem, a teenager problem etc?

From what I am reading, loopy cider for teenagers is going to go up massively in price. Other drinks will only go up marginally. I'm not sure I am seeing the problem.
 
Seems to me putting up cheap alcohol prices is admitting defeat in trying to sort the real source of why there is alcohol abuse in the first place - social deprivation and poverty linked to unemployment and housing. Until those issues are sorted country-wide then it's putting a plaster on a large wound - won't work but it's perhaps better than nothing amd might prevent some anti social problems, don't expect much to be honest.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Have you not been watching the news recently? The move is away from plastic and back to glass. Is people smashing bottles a common thing? Not being funny, it does not happen near to me so I am wondering if it is a localised problem, a teenager problem etc?

From what I am reading, loopy cider for teenagers is going to go up massively in price. Other drinks will only go up marginally. I'm not sure I am seeing the problem.
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Can't see its would be a just a local thing do you reg walk though parks and river walks where you live?

not sure its teenagers TBH. There were two broken bottles on the canal swing bridge recently and pretty much every street i cut though walking two dogs twice a day has broken glass on, you notice it. Even on the local course there a discarded bottles. even bits of the Ness broken glass in. There is a bench in the islands, we call Junkie corner, as it always has some sort of ned or Junkie drinking on. There are steps down to the river, and my two dogs went down there the other week as the water level was low. All you could see in the river in front of this bench was broken bottles and bottles.
 
Yes, plenty of walks in all sorts of places. Litter is a problem in some areas, other dog walkers not picking up is a very definite problem but broken glass does not feature at all.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Yes, plenty of walks in all sorts of places. Litter is a problem in some areas, other dog walkers not picking up is a very definite problem but broken glass does not feature at all.
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I remember when there was a small returnable deposit on glass bottles, kids use to chap doors asking for bottles to return, i can't remember much broken glass lying about.
 
williamalex1 said:
I remember when there was a small returnable deposit on glass bottles, kids use to chap doors asking for bottles to return, i can't remember much broken glass lying about.
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Well it seems just the perfect time for the return of the 3d for a bottle. But that strikes of joined up thinking between environment policy and health & social care policy :)
 
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