MH370 Malaysian Airlines missing

MH370 vanishes on 3/7 (US date format) flying at 37000 ft - and it was a 777 - which is 3x7s - conspiracy! A very curious affair - though I suspect it's whereabouts is known by the military of one nation or another.
 
vkurup said:
After all the billions spent after 9/11 - can anyone explain why pilots are able to switch off transponders in the first place?
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I have worked on aircraft and radar for a number of years, so this is all very interesting to me.

The pilot has (and always will have) the abilty to switch it off mainly because of safety reasons

1) An electrical short may cause the transponder to catch fire so you would want to shut it down

2) It may just have gone faulty and is giving out incorrect readings

3) When an aircraft is on the ground, you don't want all the transponders giving out information to Air traffic Control. They have enough to deal with already. It is the norm to shut it off when you have landed and are off the runway.

The 777 actually has 2 transponders on board, one is on and the other is on standby. If the pilot switches one off in flight i don't think the other automatically switches on.
 
StuartD said:
I have worked on aircraft and radar for a number of years, so this is all very interesting to me.
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Same here Stu. After spending a lot of years working on a aircraft avionic systems what has happened is really catching my eye. How no one still does not know anything is beyond me. Aircraft always fly around with the guard channel selected so if a mayday went out then not only would it have been heard on the ground, but in the air by other aircraft too. For a total failure of the avionic systems to happen to the extent this would have had to be basically a total failure of the both electrical generation systems, which would more or less mean the engines aren't running.

Someone is either.....

  1. Hiding the plane and are now frightened to admit to it as it will piss a lot of countries off
  2. Or they hijacked it and it went tits up, so the terrorist organisation will not admit to it as the would look stupid.
 
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Stu, Mad... how does the theory of hiding behind the Singapore Airliner work? It nearly had me till it mentioned that the two aeroplanes would show up as one blip on the radar. I am pretty sure that the planes cant fly so close to each other that they appear as one (If they get too close, then they would smash into each other as per Bernoulli's principle). Hence they need to maintain minimum distance and hence would show up as 2 blips... otherwise the theory holds water..

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/p...ysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68
 
vkurup said:
Stu, Mad... how does the theory of hiding behind the Singapore Airliner work? It nearly had me till it mentioned that the two aeroplanes would show up as one blip on the radar. I am pretty sure that the planes cant fly so close to each other that they appear as one (If they get too close, then they would smash into each other as per Bernoulli's principle). Hence they need to maintain minimum distance and hence would show up as 2 blips... otherwise the theory holds water..

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/p...ysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68
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It’s possible for two planes to appear as one on Radar. I don’t know how close two 777 could fly in formation but it’s certainly possible with smaller military jets.
From a distance the two planes could appear as one signature on the radar display particularly when flying towards said radar.. As a 777 is a large aircraft without too many round edges present to prevent a good signal return, I would expect some pick up from the second aircraft when moving closer to the radar. At worst the radar could still see the two planes appearing as one but the signature will be much bigger and no longer identified as a 777.

This theory works (slightly) if there was only 1 Radar tracking station active on the ground. For example 2 planes flying west towards a Radar tracking station could appear as one to that Radar if one plane is slightly behind and above. If there was another tracking station north of the current flight path, it would certainly pick up two planes flying close and start all sorts of alarm bells ringing.

Do you believe for a minute that India/Pakistan etc. only had one station active? Also what happened when MH370 broke off from the other planes flight path?
File in the bin in my opinion.
 
MadAdey said:
Same here Stu. After spending a lot of years working on a aircraft avionic systems what has happened is really catching my eye. How no one still does not know anything is beyond me. Aircraft always fly around with the guard channel selected so if a mayday went out then not only would it have been heard on the ground, but in the air by other aircraft too. For a total failure of the avionic systems to happen to the extent this would have had to be basically a total failure of the both electrical generation systems, which would more or less mean the engines aren't running.

Someone is either.....

  1. Hiding the plane and are now frightened to admit to it as it will piss a lot of countries off
    [*]Or they hijacked it and it went tits up, so the terrorist organisation will not admit to it as the would look stupid.
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1) I think any country with the balls to hide a plane isn't worried about pissing any other countries off.
2) Terrorist organisations are by definition out to create terror, crashing a plane is terror and exposure for them however it transpired, I don't think 'looking stupid' is in their vocabulary.


personally I'm praying they are all alive and 'captive' somewhere, soon to be freed by SAS type commandos.
 
StuartD said:
It’s possible for two planes to appear as one on Radar. I don’t know how close two 777 could fly in formation but it’s certainly possible with smaller military jets.
From a distance the two planes could appear as one signature on the radar display particularly when flying towards said radar.. As a 777 is a large aircraft without too many round edges present to prevent a good signal return, I would expect some pick up from the second aircraft when moving closer to the radar. At worst the radar could still see the two planes appearing as one but the signature will be much bigger and no longer identified as a 777.

This theory works (slightly) if there was only 1 Radar tracking station active on the ground. For example 2 planes flying west towards a Radar tracking station could appear as one to that Radar if one plane is slightly behind and above. If there was another tracking station north of the current flight path, it would certainly pick up two planes flying close and start all sorts of alarm bells ringing.

Do you believe for a minute that India/Pakistan etc. only had one station active? Also what happened when MH370 broke off from the other planes flight path?
File in the bin in my opinion.
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Christ yer alive!
 
This may be a very pessimistic view but the plane has either crashed and every one is dead or the plane has been stolen and everyone is dead. If it has been stolen and its a big if, someone has gone to a lot of trouble and planning to steal the plane for another purpose (possibly terrorism) they will not want to keep hold of feed and water a load of hostages.
 
vkurup said:
Stu, Mad... how does the theory of hiding behind the Singapore Airliner work? It nearly had me till it mentioned that the two aeroplanes would show up as one blip on the radar. I am pretty sure that the planes cant fly so close to each other that they appear as one (If they get too close, then they would smash into each other as per Bernoulli's principle). Hence they need to maintain minimum distance and hence would show up as 2 blips... otherwise the theory holds water..

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/p...ysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68
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Brilliant one, this. It might just be that the pilots of the plane being "hidden" behind would be a tad uncomfortable about someone flying so close and might just mention it to air traffic control? They would know the other plane was behind them. All they'd have to do would be to glance in their wing mirrors. :whistle:
 
Positive sighting, if you can call it that of debri around 24 metres long plus other debris, certainly seems credible that its gone down now in the sea, but, it has done a complete U-turn and flew until it ran out of fuel!

At face value it would seem logical that the cockpit was taken over and the plane sabotaged in this way, for what reasons, will we ever know:confused:

The satellite photo's being shown of the debris are nearly 4 days old?
 
Fish said:
Positive sighting, if you can call it that of debri around 24 metres long plus other debris, certainly seems credible that its gone down now in the sea, but, it has done a complete U-turn and flew until it ran out of fuel!

At face value it would seem logical that the cockpit was taken over and the plane sabotaged in this way, for what reasons, will we ever know:confused:

The satellite photo's being shown of the debris are nearly 4 days old?
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Watching it on sky news now , could have been a Payne Stewart type decompression accident or indeed someone tried to take over and something happened and knock them all out and the plane reverted to auto pilot till it ran out of fuel and ditched into the ocean which explains no mayday call or any group claiming a hijack , or it was it a hijack that gone wrong , still a long way to go before we find out the complete facts
 
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