Manchester Refs XI v Villa

Mr_T said:
Im a united fan and I don't really know where to stand on the young penalty, yes he made more of it than he should of, but there was contact and we forget that we see all this in super slow motion from several angles, in real time its perfectly possible that simply he got a slight touch and his momentum took him over, albeit he then made a meal of it, but from the refs view in real time I don't blame him as he doesn't see all the replays... although I do't really know where the OP is getting this so called horrendous tackle from scholes from, the one big tackle he made he won the ball, didn't make contact with the player and then had the player fall on him so I don't understand where you're getting that from... also the decisions are swings and roundabouts, you get some like the one last week against qpr and you don't like the one we didn't get against wigan, the correct decision is never going to be made 100% of the time, thats just the way football is, man utd to not get special treatment from referees, if we win more penalties than other sides perhaps its because we're the best side in the country so our attack generally is able to force more errors and fouls than others...
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Keep telling yourself that fella, you may even believe it one day.
 
Liverbirdie said:
Keep telling yourself that fella, you may even believe it one day.
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I never said it was a penalty? Unlike a lot of United fans I said he dived, but you're blinded by your hatred towards man utd to see the fact that the referee made a split second decision in front of 75000 people in real time, I'm not defending young, his dive last week was pretty shocking and he hasn't done himself any favours this week but your looking for an excuse to say how man utd get "special treatment"...
 
kmdmr1 said:
I am a qualified referee,and It was a penalty...
Regardless of the the dive,it was still a penalty.
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Qualifications grand , i dont know your football history but not enough refs have any playing experience , see the celtic game yesterday , the penalty incident , how is that intentional ? flys up from a yard away and hits his arm ,& how is the incidint minutes later any different ? the villa defender pulled out of the tackle & ashly young threw his leg sideways , dont tell me for a second he runs like that ..

the Chelsea goal that was not near the line ? he must have GUESSED the ball crossed the line because he surely didnt see it , because it didnt , tevez yellow ? the guy stood on his foot of course he fell , as ive give a broad club varyiation you can see im not on a club biast rant here .. there seems to be no common scence in officiating at present it seems to me the prem referees are loving the limelight ,

The solution , longer bans for cheaters because all clubs have incidents of cheating , send the refs out to the clubs to watch games & practice games with these pro,s.. & have goal line technology & a review like tennis , 1 per half if you are correct you still have 1, if you are wrong its gone .. but a panel of ex pros & refs to punish cheating retrospectivaly [sp] should deter it , is diving for a pen worth a 2 match ban ? might help ..

We have also to remember the refs see it at full speed, real time, at pitch level , with no replays so we have to give them some help also

Biggest joke in football at present ?? the RESPECT logo they are wearing .. joke
 
I think if someone is booked for diving it should become sn automatic 1 match ban, the clubs should then have the right to appeal but on the proviso that if their appeal fails the ban will get extended to 2 games
 
Mr_T said:
I think if someone is booked for diving it should become sn automatic 1 match ban, the clubs should then have the right to appeal but on the proviso that if their appeal fails the ban will get extended to 2 games
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Id agree if the appeals panel was made up of players & refs (who are these people on this panel?) i dont think the QPR guy Derry should have got 3 match ban for the young incident , do you ? yet the appeal was rejected ? appeal panel is a mystery
 
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freddielong said:
So it's just due to him running more often ok then

do you actually believe that and do you think the last two were dives

Scholes tackle was nowhere near as bad as marios and I don't mind Utd winning as long as the death of football don't win the league

Utd are no worse than any other team they are all trained to cheat nowdays
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Of course I believe it! Dont you believe that if one player makes say 100 runs a season into the box at speed with the ball at his feet he is going to get more penalties than another player who only makes say 40 similar runs. Of course he is and if you cant see that you really are letting your dislike of Man United cloud your judgement.


And no I dont think yesterdays was a penalty and yes he went over way too easy last week as well
 
Could all you United haters not pick on a different team for a change. If you watch football every team gets decisions for and against. Just let us get on with winning a 20th title in peace!!!!
 
Mr_T said:
I never said it was a penalty? Unlike a lot of United fans I said he dived, but you're blinded by your hatred towards man utd to see the fact that the referee made a split second decision in front of 75000 people in real time, I'm not defending young, his dive last week was pretty shocking and he hasn't done himself any favours this week but your looking for an excuse to say how man utd get "special treatment"...
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You have presumed what I was saying there fella. Your "also the decisions are swings and roundabouts" is my point. I tried to stay out of this, as I knew most Man U will only see a scousers point of view as anti-man U.

This ABSOLUTE BO@@###S about things evening themselves out over a season, is utter rubbish and always has been. Everton didn't get a penalty at one point for about 18 months, and after showing the Keith Hackett videos of 10 that definitely where. LFC got loads when we were top dogs, Chelsea got loads a few years ago, Arsenal get loads. We get loads, and don't say the law of averages thing about more attacking play.

And its not just penalties given, it's the ones not given the sendings off for and against as well.

The top teams get reffed differently to the rest of the lague (generally). Trying not to get into an anti-Man u thing, so wont labour Man U decisions, there are enough other neutrals on here that have and will do that.
 
AuburnWarrior said:
Yet another game that, by all accounts, has further enforced my decision to give up SKY Sports.
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What a ridiculous statement!..


How on earth would you watch the golf?! ;)

(But I agree, the only football I tend to watch on Sky is Championship stuff and the odd CL game. Except for tonight when I'll watch the Arsenal v. Wigan game because a mate of mine (gooner) is coming round for a few beers.
 
For the love of God, I hope that no one on here is trying to tell me that decisions even themselves out over the course of a season. If thats true then I pity Arsenal tonight, as the Tics are gonna get about 300 contentious decisions in their favour.

In reality, big teams get the big decisions give in their favour 90% of the time. Try supporting a small club (or even your hometown club) for a change and see if it changes your mind at all...
 
Rubbish wolfy. Top teams get more decisions in their favour.

Also generally, this has been the worst ever season, with nothing coming near for terrible lino and ref decisions (ACROSS ALL TEAMS).

I used to argue against video referreing for many years, but about 3-4 years ago changed my mind due to decisions seemingly getting worse and worse. This season is an absolute humdinger though. Shockingly bad.
 
Only winding Scouser. Whats that you told me about not getting wound up. Dont care anymore, just let use all tear away. I might just stop supporting a top team like United and start supporting a middle of the table club like Liverpool.
 
wolfie said:
Only winding Scouser. Whats that you told me about not getting wound up. Dont care anymore, just let use all tear away. I might just stop supporting a top team like United and start supporting a middle of the table club like Liverpool.
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Can't be sure, loads do believe that it evens itself out (mostly man U fans) weirdly enough.

Harry Redknapp spouted it a few months ago, I wonder if he feels the same now????

Not getting wound up, trying to stay out of the anti Man U stuff, but this evens itself out malarkey, its' just pants.

Mid table now, 2 more signings we'll be world-beaters, next year will be our year..............ad infinitum.
 
Straight out of the Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles school of how to win a penalty. Push the ball past the player. and then try and fall over the opponents leg, even if it is not moving towards the ball. Looked to me if he managed to flick both his legs, oh and start diving before contact. It was also noticeable that Young rode a stronger challenge on his way into the box, magicallly not losing his balance that time.

Next trick will be the old clip your own foot and fall over. Ronaldo was/is good a that one.

Mind you if you think Young dives, you want to see Billy Sharp at Southampton, breath of air sends him over.
 
Aztecs27 said:
What a ridiculous statement!..


How on earth would you watch the golf?! ;)

(But I agree, the only football I tend to watch on Sky is Championship stuff and the odd CL game. Except for tonight when I'll watch the Arsenal v. Wigan game because a mate of mine (gooner) is coming round for a few beers.
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OK, I'll admit it - I do miss the golf and the cricket but, alas, with two small children the chances of me being able to watch more than about twenty minutes of SKY Sports are very slim.

Back to the OP - I thought it was a known fact in footballing circles that the top four (whoever they may be) always get the decisions going their way. Those decisions may not be penalties but all the big decisions go their way. They also get favourable decisions with regards the fixtures as well.

Unfortunately, diving and cheating is rife at every club. Gary Neville wrote an interesting article about it in which he recalled his days in the Man U youth team. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2126567/Gary-Neville-Andy-Carrolls-dive-laugh--zero-tolerance-wont-ground.html
 
Sport in HD is a must and the difference is massive.

Getting back to the OP if what Ashley Young done is fair,right and condoned by refs then I expect all decisions like that to go against them and for every other team in the league aswell.

If you start booking players for diving retrospectively then i'd like to see yellow cards rescinded after players are booked for diving during a game when it's clear they were actually fouled.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
As a qualified ref (albeit class 3) I wouldn't have given it. As a Fulham fan, I'm still smarting about the one we didn't get at Old Trafford when Murphy was brought down and the one Chelsea got at Craven Cottage when there was clearly minimal if any contact before or after Murphy made the challenge and won the ball.

It isn't the first season United have had help from dodgy penalty decisions and there is definitely a big club bias no matter how much the FA insist otherwise
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The Murphy one wasn't a pen either. Just another act of cheating by an attacker trying to get a penalty.
 
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