Man Deliberately Keys Aston Martin - Caught On Camera

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Hobbit said:
At times, "the law is an ass." If the punishments in our judicial system were a fitting deterrent we'd have way less crime. And when they are, we'll have way less crime and less vigilanty-ism...
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Yes at times the law is an ass but it's there for a reason and we have to trust it and let it do its work.
 
pauldj42 said:
And by the law you are allowed to prevent a crime from taking place. I respect your right to do nothing but make a call, me personally would, in certain situations, try and stop it.
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When did I ever say I would "do nothing" ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
But you can't really "stove their head in" or break fingers etc as had been suggested though can you
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I'm not agreeing that you can Phil, but to stand there and let the bar stewards get away with it is admitting defeat, above the law or not.
I would take whatever action seemed necessary at the time to protect my/my family's property.
I don't possess a shotgun, but if I caught somebody climbing into my kitchen/bedroom/living room window at 1 in the morning, they would be getting the heaviest, hardest thing I could find smashed over their skull.
I would worry about it later
 
Smiffy said:
I'm not agreeing that you can Phil, but to stand there and let the bar stewards get away with it is admitting defeat, above the law or not.
I would take whatever action seemed necessary at the time to protect my/my family's property.
I don't possess a shotgun, but if I caught somebody climbing into my kitchen/bedroom/living room window at 1 in the morning, they would be getting the heaviest, hardest thing I could find smashed over their skull.
I would worry about it later
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But earlier in the thread you agreed when someone did say "stove their head in"

And smashing someone over their skull with the heaviest hardest thing you can find could easily result in them being killed and you in prison as has happened with a number of people in the past. You will have to justify every action and peolle struggle to justify their level of reaction

I don't think anyone has ever suggested to stand there and do nothing
 
There's been some very good papers written about "structured violence" used in some societies to maintain law and order. Somewhere between hanging and sending the criminal on a safari to Africa is the right answer.

However, one of the things described in the papers is that reasonable people attempt to make reasonable laws, and then can't understand why unreasonable people won't follow them. The basic premise being that an unreasonable person needs a stronger law/punishment/deterrent applied before they'll think twice about breaking a law. It goes on further to discuss why unreasonable people, basically, laugh at society's laws, perceiving them as soft and, in some cases, see it as a badge of honour to have been, e.g. tagged.

There's a section of society that's inherently bad, and pretty much no punishment will suffice to act as a deterrent. However, there are fence sitters where a decent punishment will stop them crossing the line. And whilst society gets softer and softer we'll see more and more petty crime...
 
Seems to be a hell of a big thread for something as straight forward as criminal damage and caught red handed.
 
Hobbit said:
There's been some very good papers written about "structured violence" used in some societies to maintain law and order. Somewhere between hanging and sending the criminal on a safari to Africa is the right answer.

However, one of the things described in the papers is that reasonable people attempt to make reasonable laws, and then can't understand why unreasonable people won't follow them. The basic premise being that an unreasonable person needs a stronger law/punishment/deterrent applied before they'll think twice about breaking a law. It goes on further to discuss why unreasonable people, basically, laugh at society's laws, perceiving them as soft and, in some cases, see it as a badge of honour to have been, e.g. tagged.

There's a section of society that's inherently bad, and pretty much no punishment will suffice to act as a deterrent. However, there are fence sitters where a decent punishment will stop them crossing the line. And whilst society gets softer and softer we'll see more and more petty crime...
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Punishments is a big issues and a lot seems to come from human rights etc - IMO human rights in extent should be removed when you fail to display the correct human nature to walk as a free person - open prisons with sky etc should be removed and if sent to prison is should be a punishment and the prisoners should be locked up apart from working cleaning the local area up.
 
Hobbit said:
.... no worries for me as the dark side of my family pretty much run the loan sharking and drugs in that area -
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Blimey, I didn't realise we had royalty amongst us :eek:

Is it OK to call you Brian........Mr Hobbit sir?

:D
 
Hobbit said:
At times, "the law is an ass." If the punishments in our judicial system were a fitting deterrent we'd have way less crime. And when they are, we'll have way less crime and less vigilanty-ism...
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Yup, what we need is better deterrents.. Maybe the death penalty for murder? Or a "3 strikes and it's life" policy for repeat offenders? That's almost guaranteed to reduce crime and leave us all with the decent caring society we all strive for.. ;)
 
bluewolf said:
Yup, what we need is better deterrents.. Maybe the death penalty for murder? Or a "3 strikes and it's life" policy for repeat offenders? That's almost guaranteed to reduce crime and leave us all with the decent caring society we all strive for.. ;)
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I suggested that once in another thread and was told that made me no better than the murderers themselves!
Be careful what you wish for :eek:.

Slime.
 
Slime said:
I suggested that once in another thread and was told that made me no better than the murderers themselves!
Be careful what you wish for :eek:.

Slime.
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My reply was slightly tongue in cheek mate. I'm not an advocate of the death penalty as it has never proven to be a genuine deterrent. I do understand those who favour it though as I can't understand why it isn't a deterrent, but that relates to the point made earlier about reasonable people..
 
bluewolf said:
Yup, what we need is better deterrents.. Maybe the death penalty for murder? Or a "3 strikes and it's life" policy for repeat offenders? That's almost guaranteed to reduce crime and leave us all with the decent caring society we all strive for.. ;)
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The death penalty is a whole other thread/can of worms. The 3 strikes policy has it's attractions but also dangers as potentially you could potentially end up with people serving life for shoplifting.
 
Tarkus1212 said:
The death penalty is a whole other thread/can of worms. The 3 strikes policy has it's attractions but also dangers as potentially you could potentially end up with people serving life for shoplifting.
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And if you're on your third strike, you might as well go the whole hog and commit murder in the hope you've got rid of the only witness - 3 strikes is flawed.
 
Hobbit said:
And if you're on your third strike, you might as well go the whole hog and commit murder in the hope you've got rid of the only witness - 3 strikes is flawed.
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Agreed. It's also totally unproven as the states that recorded a drop in violent crime could not prove that the drop was a result of the policy. Other states that did not enforce the 3 strike policy also recorded a similar drop in violent crime at the same time..
 
Ever since this country decided to do away with corporal punishment society has taken a downward turn.I'm a family man with a fairly decent job and in charge of half a dozen blokes, and come from a good family and know right from wrong.But quite frankly I've had enough of scumbags, and if they cross my path, I'm not waiting for a judge to do me for contempt when they let the offenders off when I lose my rag in court.
 
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