Liverpool FC's dilemma

Dodger said:
They've done sweet fa to him,the guy was/is an overrated footballer and Liverpool got a good deal for him.Shame they pissed it away with a donkey.
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He's superb and if played up front on his own and was supported with intelligent footballers then you would see he best of him no doubt about it.

He needs to be played week in week out and not sat on the bench getting splinters.
 
Dodger said:
They've done sweet fa to him,the guy was/is an overrated footballer and Liverpool got a good deal for him.Shame they pissed it away with a donkey.
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So Torres was overrated, based on what. So all them goals he scored in 3 years at Anfield, and he was overrated. Compared to who, or what. Enlighten me.
 
Torres is finished. Those years playing with injuries destroyed his pace. Without that he offers little else. Watching him these days is cringeworthy. You remember how electric and clinical he was from 2007-2010 and then see him now and hard to believe he's the same player. I don't think a top player has ever just dropped off like he has.

Liverpool did one of the deals of the century getting £50m for him.

Nice win for Liverpool at Man City, can see the second leg being a cracker. Not much of a surprise Man City look quite average as soon as their key players (Kompany, Yaya and Silva) miss games.

Was quite impressed with Liverpool first half, the sheer workrate the midfield - ran City off the pitch.
 
A1ex said:
Torres is finished. Those years playing with injuries destroyed his pace. Without that he offers little else. Watching him these days is cringeworthy. You remember how electric and clinical he was from 2007-2010 and then see him now and hard to believe he's the same player. I don't think a top player has ever just dropped off like he has.

Liverpool did one of the deals of the century getting £50m for him.

Nice win for Liverpool at Man City, can see the second leg being a cracker. Not much of a surprise Man City look quite average as soon as their key players (Kompany, Yaya and Silva) miss games.

Was quite impressed with Liverpool first half, the sheer workrate the midfield - ran City off the pitch.
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Torres is the type of player that needs a arm round shoulder and confidence.

I thought after his injury he'd get back to his best but he just hasn't played enough to get that confidence.

It's funny how all of a sudden they are weak without 3players when their team that played cost £165m+.

Gerard in the middle of the park makes that team play, and hopefully we can get the job done net week.
 
A1ex said:
Torres is finished. Those years playing with injuries destroyed his pace. Without that he offers little else. Watching him these days is cringeworthy. You remember how electric and clinical he was from 2007-2010 and then see him now and hard to believe he's the same player. I don't think a top player has ever just dropped off like he has.

Liverpool did one of the deals of the century getting £50m for him.

Nice win for Liverpool at Man City, can see the second leg being a cracker. Not much of a surprise Man City look quite average as soon as their key players (Kompany, Yaya and Silva) miss games.

Was quite impressed with Liverpool first half, the sheer workrate the midfield - ran City off the pitch.
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I was quite impressed with us first half, but second half!!! Kenny got it right defensively, but offered nothing going forward. But hey, that's the first time they haven't scored at home in 14 months.
 
Liverbirdie said:
You don't seem the type to engage in reasoned argument, going on your baseline views. Shut the door, whilst the adults speak.
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Just a few facts to counteract "the spin". You know, just so everyones up to speed regarding "guilty" racist footballers, and jizzing their last dollar on a cart horse.
 
TED said:
Dear me! Talk about digging a hole? What is it with scousers and their infernal "it was'nt us" mentality?

The player admitted his guilt and he was banned, and rightly so. The players and the manager made total nobs of themself's, fact, and they've got to live with that. Yet they still insist on the blame culture.

Where is it substantiated that two United fans have been banned for racist abuse? <br>

May be they should see their own clueless and classless supporters for what they really are.

Take a trip to Youtube and see them inside Old Trafford last season with an inflatable aeroplane singing their famous Munich song, and the guy caught by the sky cameras repeatedly chanting "Munich" who to be fair was arrested and shamed after a newspaper printed his picture.

And this is the behaviour of fans that suffered its own terrible trajedy.

Was they ever gunna take their medicine? Was they b!@#)!s

Suppose it was somebody elses fault they paid 35 million for a yard dog from Newcastle.
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I think you have just reiterated a point that was brought up earlier in the thread. Other teams fans especially Man Utd are just using this this now as a way to have a dig at Liverpool. I have not read the report but it is very interesting listening to people that have. The main point that has to be taken from it that I see is the admission of guilt. From what I can make out he has admitted using a term that in his own native language does not have a racist undertone to it. So is he guilty of being racist I think not. Is he guilty of making a comment that Evra and the FA interpret to be racist, yes he is.

But this is employment law, not criminal law. If you have ever had any form of training on racism in the workplace then you would know that it is not what you said, it is how someone else has taken it. I could have be having a laugh with a mate who is of an ethnic minority and take the piss out if him. If he took this as a racist insult, then he could report me, even though I had no intention of being racist towards him. In the workplace it is always how the offended party interpreted what was said, not what was said.

I am a Liverpool first and foremost and gutted that Suarez has been banned and I would have loved us to argue it and try to get it overturned. I do not think the club can win regarding an appeal. If they appeal it then they get slagged off for backing a racist player and just keep this incident in the headlines. If they choose not to appeal they get slagged off for that also. The club just want this finished with now and to move on from it. A Liverpool player made a mistake and will learn from it, as will other players foreign footballers.

Just a quick note on the Terry incident. Suarez has admitted saying something that he did not see as a racist comment. What Terry said is totally different, he is English, grew up in England and make a racist comment in English. Terry is screwed as it is on camera him saying it. They have a lot of evidence against him unlike in the Suarez incident. Suarez has a defence against the comments he made, not sure how good that defence is seen though. But Terry can't deny what he said.
 
TED said:
Just a few facts to counteract "the spin". You know, just so everyones up to speed regarding "guilty" racist footballers, and jizzing their last dollar on a cart horse.
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Ted the problem is more with the delivery than the content .. as said before when ya start a post with stuff like ....

"Dear me! Talk about digging a hole? What is it with scousers and their infernal "it was'nt us" mentality?"

people are going to see it rightly or wrongly so as an anti liverpool post rather than a constructive discussion post , & in fairness if you start a post on the attack people will defend in return..
 
TED said:
Just a few facts to counteract "the spin". You know, just so everyones up to speed regarding "guilty" racist footballers, and jizzing their last dollar on a cart horse.
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Lets face it, no you weren't - it was just an anti-scouse rant. Just admit it, other better websites to do it on, lad.

You didn'y say anything cogent or relevant, or new. I bet you are one of those who send them silly texts into the daily star, slagging off rivals.
 
Naybrains said:
Certainly being given a lesson by Bolton 3-1.
Defense ropey to say the least!!!
Bellamy, losing the plot. Him and Reo-Coker having handbags at 40yds.
Great entertainment.
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Did he ever have it. Total fruit loop why Kenny had him back god only knows. In fact most of his signings have been pants. Andy Carroll at £35 Mill do me a favour!! Downing=Rubbish, Henderson=Way Overpriced, Adam=Jury out on him,Enrique=Average, Suarez=Super Footballer but a known nutter see his rap sheet in Holland banned for Biting amongst others:eek: Stiil think they will win Utd in the cup next weekend though.
 
Stiil think they will win Utd in the cup next weekend though.[/QUOTE said:
Be very surprised if they do,while it was a good result for Liverpool in the first leg the way they just played everyone behind the ball and never got much over the halfway line in the second half just seemed to me like a mid table PL team trying to hang on for a result. Not the type of performance I would like to see from a team of Liverpools standing.

They will have to be more positive playing at home,which will be their undoing I fear, Liverpool dont get beat at home very often, but I think its 7 home draws this season that tells its own story.
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In_The_Rough said:
Did he ever have it. Total fruit loop why Kenny had him back god only knows. In fact most of his signings have been pants. Andy Carroll at £35 Mill do me a favour!! Downing=Rubbish, Henderson=Way Overpriced, Adam=Jury out on him,Enrique=Average, Suarez=Super Footballer but a known nutter see his rap sheet in Holland banned for Biting amongst others:eek: Stiil think they will win Utd in the cup next weekend though.
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So, a couple of more results like today will the honeymoon period for Kenny be over?
 
evahakool said:
Be very surprised if they do,while it was a good result for Liverpool in the first leg the way they just played everyone behind the ball and never got much over the halfway line in the second half just seemed to me like a mid table PL team trying to hang on for a result. Not the type of performance I would like to see from a team of Liverpools standing.

They will have to be more positive playing at home,which will be their undoing I fear, Liverpool dont get beat at home very often, but I think its 7 home draws this season that tells its own story.
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Agree with what you are saying but I just have a gut feeling they will win Utd. I just think LFC are an average side that are tough to beat and they will raise their game next Sat
 
painterboy said:
So, a couple of more results like today will the honeymoon period for Kenny be over?
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Yes not quite going his way at the moment is it. I just think how he has handled some incidents lately has been dubious at best. The Suarez T-Shirt incident should never have been allowed to happen just fanning the flames that pretty stupid really. Constantly moaning about the FA with the Rooney appeal amongst others was just making an enemy of them for himself so first chance they got it was payback time 8 match ban thank you very much poor management IMO.
 
Thats right I also think they are a average side and Iam not to fussed who wins,as a Spurs fan who has seen many a drubbing at the hands of Liverpool teams playing great attacking football, its sorry to see them playing not to lose a game instead of trying to go out and win.
 
evahakool said:
Thats right I also think they are a average side and Iam not to fussed who wins,as a Spurs fan who has seen many a drubbing at the hands of Liverpool teams playing great attacking football, its sorry to see them playing not to lose a game instead of trying to go out and win.
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I follow my local team Chesterfield and do not follow any Prem club so am not biased in any shape or form to any club. Spurs are a great side to watch and I think you will get 3rd place. Anyway next match on MOTD yep the mightly LFC:)
 
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