Liverpool FC's dilemma

Things just get worse this week for Liverpool.

Having scored his first goal for the club on Firday, Downing is currently in police custody after allegedly smacking his ex-girlfirend in a club last night. She is also in custody for an alleged assault.

Great club my arse.
 
We are talking about 3 totally different incidents here.

Downing has smacked his girl in a club. Nothing at all to do with the club.

An English football fan in the crowd allegedly shouting a racist comment at an Oldham player. With being English if he has said that, then he deserves the book to be thrown at him as he knows what he said. Be interesting to see if they can identify the person if what is alleged has been said.

A footballer saying something to another player in the heat of the battle, not realising that unlike in his native country that comment is a racist remark here. Fortunatley the PFA are now going to make players from overseas to go through the as young players in this country do. They will have to attend cultural awareness classes. So that will either stop what has happened with Suarez happening again, or they will not have the excuse that they did not realise what they said was racist.
 
MadAdey said:
A footballer saying something to another player in the heat of the battle, not realising that unlike in his native country that comment is a racist remark here. Fortunatley the PFA are now going to make players from overseas to go through the as young players in this country do. They will have to attend cultural awareness classes. So that will either stop what has happened with Suarez happening again, or they will not have the excuse that they did not realise what they said was racist.
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Why should the onus be on the FA. If he wants to earn a living in this country, the its up to him to learn the culture/rules.. Try that logic on a french gendarme next time you're driving through France.. "Sorry officer, I wasn't aware that I was breaking the law." I bet we both know what the response will be.....
 
Dodger said:
Things just get worse this week for Liverpool.

Having scored his first goal for the club on Firday, Downing is currently in police custody after allegedly smacking his ex-girlfirend in a club last night. She is also in custody for an

Great club my arse.
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Now man united to visit in the fac that'll help calm things.... Not
 
madandra said:
I am wondering what stance Liverpool will take if their fan is found guilty racially abusing Oldham Athletic defender Tom Adeyemi. After their support for Suarez where can they go? Will they turn out for their next game wearing T-shirts with his picture on them to show support? NOT A CHANCE COZ HE ISN'T WORTH £25m.


What ever happened to the old saying 'NO MAN IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB'

This blatant hypocrisy is the reason fans are leaving football in their droves.
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I take it you've not read the 115 page document on the evra race case then.

If and i mean IF this lad is proven to be found guilty by a court of law then he deserves whatever punishment the law gives.

One thing is for sure at least he will get a fair hearing unlike Luis Suarez.
 
DappaDonDave said:
Sell Suarez to show they don't stand for racism.
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Haha you've not read the 115 page document from the commission neither.

Liverpool have cooperated with the police on the alledged racist comment made by a fan against the oldham player and he has now been charged pending a court case.

He is still innocent until PROVEN guilty.
 
Scouser said:
If I was found guilty of a racist comment in work I would either be on a final written warning and sent on a hell of a lot of courses or dissmised. I wouldn't be told to turn up but not work for 8 days .....

The club handled the situation very badly in my Mind....... Just my oppinion
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Haha i cant believe you're comparing your job to a game of football.

The conversation was in spanish between 2 people who spoke spanish only for evra to think the word "Negro"( black, Neg Row) meant "***" because the word Negro pronounced Knee Grow in france is a racist comment.

Have you read the report??

The Commission do not believe that Luis Suarez is Racist, it's there in black and white.

So why would you free transfer him?
 
bluewolf said:
Why should the onus be on the FA. If he wants to earn a living in this country, the its up to him to learn the culture/rules.. Try that logic on a french gendarme next time you're driving through France.. "Sorry officer, I wasn't aware that I was breaking the law." I bet we both know what the response will be.....
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He never said the the onus should be on the FA.

The PFA however are a completely seperate organisation who represent the players, all of whom pay yearly subs.
 
bluewolf said:
Why should the onus be on the FA. If he wants to earn a living in this country, the its up to him to learn the culture/rules.. Try that logic on a french gendarme next time you're driving through France.. "Sorry officer, I wasn't aware that I was breaking the law." I bet we both know what the response will be.....
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Do you not have any training at work regarding equality in the workplace? I have to do half a day every year doing Equality and Diversity training.
 
This is what happens when a club and manager handle a serious issue like rank amateurs. It gives the moronic element among Liverpool's support the confidence to voice these repulsive remarks.

This sort of thing hasn't happened for years with Liverpool, yet this incident has happened right after the whole Suarez case. Coincidence? I think not.

Liverpool's view has been 'Suarez is innocent and we'll support him 100%, regardless of anything else. End of.' which is a disgraceful view to have. They've tried to blame Evra, the FA and everyone but themselves and Suarez. No humility, no class, nothing except embarrassing comments, statements, t-shirts and now this whole debacle. If the FA had any backbone they'd charge Dalglish and Liverpool with bringing the game into disrepute.

This new incident puts Liverpool in a difficult position, as the opening post suggests. It's a lose lose situation that they only have themselves to blame for.
 
A1ex said:
This is what happens when a club and manager handle a serious issue like rank amateurs. It gives the moronic element among Liverpool's support the confidence to voice these repulsive remarks.

This sort of thing hasn't happened for years with Liverpool, yet this incident has happened right after the whole Suarez case. Coincidence? I think not.

Liverpool's view has been 'Suarez is innocent and we'll support him 100%, regardless of anything else. End of.' which is a disgraceful view to have. They've tried to blame Evra, the FA and everyone but themselves and Suarez. No humility, no class, nothing except embarrassing comments, statements, t-shirts and now this whole debacle. If the FA had any backbone they'd charge Dalglish and Liverpool with bringing the game into disrepute.

This new incident puts Liverpool in a difficult position, as the opening post suggests. It's a lose lose situation that they only have themselves to blame for.
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Read the 115 page document, Suarez was found guilty on "probability" nothing else.

Liverpool have messed up by not appealing after saying they'd back him.
 
MadAdey said:
Do you not have any training at work regarding equality in the workplace? I have to do half a day every year doing Equality and Diversity training.
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I truely believe that, in the scheme of things, we live in a tolerant society here in Britain... So, for me, it beggars belief that some consider it necessary to have courses to train us to be 'equal' in the workplace...
 
Stuart_C said:
Read the 115 page document, Suarez was found guilty on "probability" nothing else.

Liverpool have messed up by not appealing after saying they'd back him.
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I've read it all and it was worse than I expected.

In legal terms probability is the norm and accepted for civil cases. Only in criminal cases is a higher level of proof required. Nothing else was required.
 
Stuart_C said:
Haha i cant believe you're comparing your job to a game of football.

The conversation was in spanish between 2 people who spoke spanish only for evra to think the word "Negro"( black, Neg Row) meant "***" because the word Negro pronounced Knee Grow in france is a racist comment.

Have you read the report??

The Commission do not believe that Luis Suarez is Racist, it's there in black and white.

So why would you free transfer him?
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HAHAHAHAHA

I thought my stalker was leaving me alone! :ears:

Right I am not comparing a game of football to my job..... I am comparing one paid employee to another....

Have I read the whole report no ...you dont need to.

  1. Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
  2. the insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2);
  3. Mr Suarez shall be warned as to his future conduct, be suspended for eight matches covering all first team competitive matches and fined the sum of £40,000;
  4. the [penalty] is suspended pending the outcome of any appeal lodged by Mr Suarez against this decision.
  • Rule E3(1): "A Participant shall at all times act in the best interests of the game and shall not act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into disrepute or use any one, or a combination of, violent conduct, serious foul play, threatening, abusive, indecent or insulting words or behaviour."
  • "In the event of any breach of Rule E3(1) including a reference to any one or more of a person's ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, faith, gender, sexual orientation or disability (an "aggravating factor"), a Regulatory Commission shall consider the imposition of an increased sanction."

Those appear to be the relevant points. I am not saying he was found guilty of being a racisist....BUT he did use offensive words (or words deemed to be offensive)... Guilty as charged your honour

So why would I send him packing because he has become bigger than the club and this whole situation is a total mess. This will haunt Liverpool for years. Do the club really need that and the hassle. How many black fans will be offended by this stance?!?!?!

hope that explains it..........:D
 
MegaSteve said:
I truely believe that, in the scheme of things, we live in a tolerant society here in Britain... So, for me, it beggars belief that some consider it necessary to have courses to train us to be 'equal' in the workplace...
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Yes but by my Employer giving you this type of training, I do not then have the excuse of "I did not realise I was being racist" This is why the PFA has always had these types of courses for young Pro's to teach them about equality and diversity. Now they are going to extend these courses to players arriving int his country after what has happened with Suarez.

When you work in a job that requires you to come into contact with many different races, and work in other countries it can be easy to do or say something that in your own culture would not cause offend. From what I know about this subject compared to someone who has never done it, you would be shocked by what you can get done for in the workplace. What you may think is acceptable, just may not be.
 
Does anybody know what this fan has "allegedly " said ...??

I think Liverpools defence was a word was said but was not said in a racist way ? this is possible ya know ..

What we have to understand is that with so many diverse nationalities playing now , different meaning of different words will sometimes cause problems .. il give you an example here some time ago i was emailing a friend & apologised i hadnt got back to him earlier as i had poped out for soup & sambo .. the message kept geting blocked at his end.. seemingly sambo was a word referring to black slaves years ago .. does this make me a racist ? a racist remark should be judged in the context it is said . not just a word used .. thats just my opinion tho
 
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