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therod said:
It's not long term. I'm all for managed immigration, that doesn't mean I'm living in fear of the Bulgarian bogey man who wants to steal my job/house/wife/kids/cat etc etc.

How much of the net immigration is from the EU, how much from outside?? I don't know?

Is it a coincidence that Western Europe has been at peace (with each other) since the advent of the common market and what it has become?
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The peace is not a coincidence and not really related to the EU. The peace in western Europe has been related more to the threat of the east during the cold war and the influence of Nato IMO.

Managed immigration is what UKUP are promoting, it's the sensible option. The Bulgarian bogy man is just another exaggeration.
 
SocketRocket said:
You cant really look at it in isolation.
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But that's exactly what the Kippers are doing!

2 or 3 emotive issues and nothing about anything else - such as the huge benefits for UK Business of being in the EU/EFTA!

To me, they are only half a step away from the BNP!
 
The problem is getting those work shy people to actually get of their backsides and do the jobs that a lot of immigrants over here are more than willing to do - a great deal of people that arrive in this country actually appear to contribute to our society and knuckle down and work and pay taxes etc.

There is i reckon prob a great deal of Brits sat on benefits with no intention of getting of their backside - thats a benefit problem as opposed to immigrants arriving into the country.

Yes we do need to not give out benefits on immigrants who arrive just to sponge - but we also need to get Brits to stop sponging as well.

I believe anyone should be welcome into this country if they are intending to contribute to our society or they need relief from war torn countries where people are commiting awful crimes against humanity.
 
SocketRocket said:
You cant really look at it in isolation. There has probably not been a great increase in the population of Chipping Campden but that belies the overall situation. I cant see that the answer to work shy Brits is to put them on indefinite benefits bring in people from abroad who are happy to work for low wages. Even you must be aware of the strain on public services away from your Hamlet.
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But they are not working for low wages, and they are paying tax.
Many have started their own businesses and are now employing Scots.
 
SocketRocket said:
I think that depends on weather the other parties will start listening to what so many peoples concerns are and be prepared to act; rather than promise, rater than believing they know better.
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whats the weather got to do with it?:confused:


As for them getting MP's in next election, not a snowballs chance no matter what polls show about them gaining interest.
 
SocketRocket said:
I read today (and not in the mail) that a current poll has given UKIP a 40 point swing in the up coming bi election, the largest swing recorded. I guess some here will put that down to the ignorant unwashed not understanding what the issues.
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Is that not in Clacton and where the MP has deflected from Tory to UKIP ?

So the voters are following the person
 
SocketRocket said:
I dont believe they are. I think people think the current conservative leaders don't believe in conservatism and will vote for someone who does.
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Off course you dont believe they are - what was the count before the deflection ? Believe UKIP had a 3% with the Torys around 60%

Tory MP deflects and they expect people to follow the name - as it will get closer the points difference will be a lot closer.

If he defected to Labour the same thing would have happened.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The problem is getting those work shy people to actually get of their backsides and do the jobs that a lot of immigrants over here are more than willing to do - a great deal of people that arrive in this country actually appear to contribute to our society and knuckle down and work and pay taxes etc.

There is i reckon prob a great deal of Brits sat on benefits with no intention of getting of their backside - thats a benefit problem as opposed to immigrants arriving into the country.

Yes we do need to not give out benefits on immigrants who arrive just to sponge - but we also need to get Brits to stop sponging as well.

I believe anyone should be welcome into this country if they are intending to contribute to our society or they need relief from war torn countries where people are commiting awful crimes against humanity.
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I agree with that. I also think managed immigration more like the Australian model id the right way.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Off course you dont believe they are - what was the count before the deflection ? Believe UKIP had a 3% with the Torys around 60%

Tory MP deflects and they expect people to follow the name - as it will get closer the points difference will be a lot closer.

If he defected to Labour the same thing would have happened.
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OK, i take your point but we shall see.
 
Foxholer said:
But that's exactly what the Kippers are doing!

2 or 3 emotive issues and nothing about anything else - such as the huge benefits for UK Business of being in the EU/EFTA!

To me, they are only half a step away from the BNP!
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Please go to their web site, read their policies and then comment on them. Judging by your post I don't think you have done that.
 
Very strange but my very first post was not "hello everyone I'm a newbie" but what to people think re immigration. God how I got slated by some on here.

but I was genuinely interested in people thoughts in the same way that this Kippers post has become majorly immigration based.

How do we deal with immigration. How do the parties that have opened the door and left it locked open deal with it. I will vote UKIP but don't know how they will deal with it. But I do know that they are the only party that have said that they will.

fragger thanks for tidying up the thread coz this can run on and on and I hope a few clowns don't get it blocked.

ps boys and girls don't get personal either.
 
SocketRocket said:
Yes, I did make a mistake there. We are the 4th largest exporter and importer and 6th largest economy. Apologies.
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On the face of it, those rankings look 'reasonable'. However, what they mean (and the figures don't match years, but are pretty close) is that UK is actually running the 2nd largest Balance of Trade deficit, both in value ($93 Trillion) and rate (about $2.5 Billion/month!)!

Anything that adds additional costs to either exports (causing fewer sales) or imports (higher prices => greater deficit) should be of great concern! And the isolationism that is the Kippers 'solution' will definitely increase costs - as demonstrated by the additional costs Papas mentioned, and there's a huge issue with timeliness with Border negotiation also.

So while I believe the EU is occasionally too centralist and dogged by unauditable policies and fraud, I believe that, overall, it's a good thing for UK!

And having Kippers campaigning for the No/BT side of the Scottish Independence strikes me as rather, if not the epitome of, hypocritical!
 
Foxholer said:
On the face of it, those rankings look 'reasonable'. However, what they mean (and the figures don't match years, but are pretty close) is that UK is actually running the 2nd largest Balance of Trade deficit, both in value ($93 Trillion) and rate (about $2.5 Billion/month!)!

Anything that adds additional costs to either exports (causing fewer sales) or imports (higher prices => greater deficit) should be of great concern! And the isolationism that is the Kippers 'solution' will definitely increase costs - as demonstrated by the additional costs Papas mentioned, and there's a huge issue with timeliness with Border negotiation also.

So while I believe the EU is occasionally too centralist and dogged by unauditable policies and fraud, I believe that, overall, it's a good thing for UK!

And having Kippers campaigning for the No/BT side of the Scottish Independence strikes me as rather, if not the epitome of, hypocritical!
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To quote UKIP

"• Free trade, but not political union, with our European neighbours. We are the EU’s largest export market: they depend on us for jobs - not the other way around."

They also suggest that we can boost trade by having the freedom to open trade agreements wherever we can. Just imagine how we could better spend £55 million a day, we could create a much better health service, pay our old people decent pensions, boost manufacturing etc etc.

I cannot see any way that the EU would not want to sell their goods to their biggest market, it would be a disaster for them not to.
I'm not afraid that we are good enough to stand up for our selves, currently so much is being smothered by the EU state. Today for example they have decided what power we can use in our vacuum cleaners. :mad:
 
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