Kippers

[Papas1982]

This demonstrates why they're unelectable. They (and you) would advocate penalising pregnacy by abolishing maternity pay
Rather than caring for the most vunerable in society they'd rather punish them. Rather than providing for the next generation they'd rather 'manage' population increase

Seems a bit myopic to me. If you take that to an extreme, and discourage families surely you'd be left with an ageing population that rely on an immigrant workforce

Surely you wouldn't advocate that?

i personally believe some some major reform of benefits is required. Take child benefit for example. EVERYONE gets the £80 a month it is. Surely the majority shouldn't be needing that. How many millions are paid out with that that aren't required. If they scraped that, and genuinely inky those in need got the help. How much would it save?

Paternity pay too. I don't know many that even bother taking it. Blokes generally just store a bit if extra holiday and take it, as it's not much help taking 6 weeks if if it's £124 a week. I'm in no way advocating ukip as I think their policies are nothing more than sound bites with no real financial consideration. but I do believe that common sense needs to be well, more commonly used!

 

[Foxholer]

I believe Britain has the 4th largest economy in the World.

Er...Try 6th!

http://knoema.com/nwnfkne/world-gdp-ranking-2014-data-and-charts

 

[User20205]

So to paraphrase, they appeal to a voter who wants to reduce employment rights, keep women in the kitchen, implement population control and 'sort out' immigration. Maybe those that advocate could expand on 'sorting out' immigration and controlling the birth rate, what would you/they do specifically?

The benefits argument is a smoke screen, that obviously needs reform and unless you've been asleep for 6 years, the mainstream parties have been undertaking this.

We're talking about a fundamental reduction in employment rights, paid holiday, maternity etc, that's what ukip would take from you.

Also, those that advocate leaving the EU, do you also support Scottish independence?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I think the Kippers main support is from people who use the phrase 'not like us' a lot.

 

[User20205]

I think the Kippers main support is from people who use the phrase 'not like us' a lot.

Very true. It's the politics of fear packaged more acceptably than some other parties.

 

[Papas1982]

So to paraphrase, they appeal to a voter who wants to reduce employment rights, keep women in the kitchen, implement population control and 'sort out' immigration. Maybe those that advocate could expand on 'sorting out' immigration and controlling the birth rate, what would you/they do specifically?

The benefits argument is a smoke screen, that obviously needs reform and unless you've been asleep for 6 years, the mainstream parties have been undertaking this.

We're talking about a fundamental reduction in employment rights, paid holiday, maternity etc, that's what ukip would take from you.

Also, those that advocate leaving the EU, do you also support Scottish independence?

Personally I'd love us to leave the EU, purely as my career path would lead to massive financial gains. Whilst there are benefits to the trade agreements we share, i don't personally believe that that all our legislation should be decided for us.

 

[User20205]

Personally I'd love us to leave the EU, purely as my career path would lead to massive financial gains. Whilst there are benefits to the trade agreements we share, i don't personally believe that that all our legislation should be decided for us.

What is it you do that would benefit from no EU membership? (Genuinely interested)

 

[Papas1982]

What is it you do that would benefit from no EU membership? (Genuinely interested)

Freight forwarding and customs clearance. As the EU gets bigger our client base gets smaller. Therefore less people now have the experience I (and others doing my job have). If the borders closed and clearance was needed, we could literally print money. Our company already have us on contracts stating any pull out of the EU and they would be willing to increase wages 40% if we stay for at least one year.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Freight forwarding and customs clearance. As the EU gets bigger our client base gets smaller. Therefore less people now have the experience I (and others doing my job have). If the borders closed and clearance was needed, we could literally print money. Our company already have us on contracts stating any pull out of the EU and they would be willing to increase wages 40% if we stay for at least one year.

So who pays the money for the clearance ? Do they out number the people who will gain from closed borders ?

 

[Papas1982]

So who pays the money for the clearance ? Do they out number the people who will gain from closed borders ?

If you read all my posts, I said pulling out would benefit ME. I didn't say i support Ukip as thy're policies are unsustainable imo.

But the people that pay it are pretty much any company bringing goods in from outside the eu currently, or exporting goods to outside the eu. Been as we import more than anyone else, the business i'm in would grow exponentially, of course the additional costs to these companies would be passed onto the customers (all of us) . So as i say, would be unsustainable imo.

 

[Imurg]

Yup think the lib dems are a spent force now
I can see ukip splitting the labour and Tory vote and getting a foothold, wouldn't be surprised at all

I can see very low turn-outs in some places.
Many don't want to vote Labour or Tory so see the Lib-Dems as an alternative.
Since they sold their collective souls to Cameron, a large slice of Lib-Dem voters may wonder who they can actually vote for.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you read all my posts, I said pulling out would benefit ME. I didn't say i support Ukip as thy're policies are unsustainable imo.

But the people that pay it are pretty much any company bringing goods in from outside the eu currently, or exporting goods to outside the eu. Been as we import more than anyone else, the business i'm in would grow exponentially, of course the additional costs to these companies would be passed onto the customers (all of us) . So as i say, would be unsustainable imo.

And possibly companies pulling out from trading within the uk which would mean you would get less companies coming through customs clearance which would mean your company would suffer

Closing borders off to the continent will never seem a good idea for me

 

[User20205]

Freight forwarding and customs clearance. As the EU gets bigger our client base gets smaller. Therefore less people now have the experience I (and others doing my job have). If the borders closed and clearance was needed, we could literally print money. Our company already have us on contracts stating any pull out of the EU and they would be willing to increase wages 40% if we stay for at least one year.

Thanks for sharing. :thup:

I can see how you'd benefit from more border control. Obviously there would be individual circumstance where being out is better, but generally I be reluctant to give up certain rights EU law gives me as an employee.

I also reckon you can't be in selectively, maybe I'm a proper European federalist

 

[Papas1982]

And possibly companies pulling out from trading within the uk which would mean you would get less companies coming through customs clearance which would mean your company would suffer

Closing borders off to the continent will never seem a good idea for me

Phil wherever the company is based, be that the uk or Venezuela, when the goods come to the uk, Taxes most be paid. We arrange this process, so we would still be paid. The uk doesn't produce anywhere near what it needs. So we woudl still be paid and not suffer in the slightest. The company and business flourished before the borders opened up and would only improve and grow if they reopened. As i have said, i don't believe it is the thing to do. I simply mentioned that financially I WOULD be much better off.

 

[Papas1982]

Thanks for sharing. :thup:

I can see how you'd benefit from more border control. Obviously there would be individual circumstance where being out is better, but generally I be reluctant to give up certain rights EU law gives me as an employee.

I also reckon you can't be in selectively, maybe I'm a proper European federalist

I generally agree that the majority are better off in the eu. I just find it frustrating that we do seem to be the soft touch when it comes to certain policies. Having grown up in a pretty poor estate I've seen plenty of people struggle for work. But i still see many more fiddle the system than survive because of it.

 

[SocketRocket]

So to paraphrase, they appeal to a voter who wants to reduce employment rights, keep women in the kitchen, implement population control and 'sort out' immigration. Maybe those that advocate could expand on 'sorting out' immigration and controlling the birth rate, what would you/they do specifically?

The benefits argument is a smoke screen, that obviously needs reform and unless you've been asleep for 6 years, the mainstream parties have been undertaking this.

We're talking about a fundamental reduction in employment rights, paid holiday, maternity etc, that's what ukip would take from you.

Also, those that advocate leaving the EU, do you also support Scottish independence?

That is an exaggeration and you know it! Population control and immigration are major issues that are beyond flippancy. Did you see the net migration figures released this week. We allowed 250,000 more people into the country last year than people leaving. Please tell me how this is sustainable?

 

[Foxholer]

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I also reckon you can't be in selectively, maybe I'm a proper European federalist

All depends on what you mean by the term 'Federalist'! It seems to me that it has as much variation as the term 'Democracy'!

 

[User20205]

That is an exaggeration and you know it! Population control and immigration are major issues that are beyond flippancy. Did you see the net migration figures released this week. We allowed 250,000 more people into the country last year than people leaving. Please tell me how this is sustainable?

It's not long term. I'm all for managed immigration, that doesn't mean I'm living in fear of the Bulgarian bogey man who wants to steal my job/house/wife/kids/cat etc etc.

How much of the net immigration is from the EU, how much from outside?? I don't know?

Is it a coincidence that Western Europe has been at peace (with each other) since the advent of the common market and what it has become?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

That is an exaggeration and you know it! Population control and immigration are major issues that are beyond flippancy. Did you see the net migration figures released this week. We allowed 250,000 more people into the country last year than people leaving. Please tell me how this is sustainable?

I think that depends where you live.
My wife has friends and relatives in Kent, Hamps and Essex. I gather that nearly all are not too keen on jonny foreigner.

Up here in Scotland, especially in the Highlands there is a shortage of labour and we welcome anyone who will fill the skills gap.
The Scottish population has risen by 300,000+ over recent years and the jobs market appears to still be rising and unemployment falling.

Salmond recently went on record praising the Polish and Eastern European immigrants for their hard work and industry.
If they are replacing the small number of Scottish work shy, Buckfast swilling Jakeys then the more the merrier IMO.

 

[SocketRocket]

I think that depends where you live.
My wife has friends and relatives in Kent, Hamps and Essex. I gather that nearly all are not too keen on jonny foreigner.

Up here in Scotland, especially in the Highlands there is a shortage of labour and we welcome anyone who will fill the skills gap.
The Scottish population has risen by 300,000+ over recent years and the jobs market appears to still be rising and unemployment falling.

Salmond recently went on record praising the Polish and Eastern European immigrants for their hard work and industry.
If they are replacing the small number of Scottish work shy, Buckfast swilling Jakeys then the more the merrier IMO.

You cant really look at it in isolation. There has probably not been a great increase in the population of Chipping Campden but that belies the overall situation. I cant see that the answer to work shy Brits is to put them on indefinite benefits bring in people from abroad who are happy to work for low wages. Even you must be aware of the strain on public services away from your Hamlet.