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SocketRocket
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Please can you show us what you are referring to?
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2. Maternity pay? Who needs it! UKIP would scrap the right to maternity leave for women working for small businesses.
Section 3.2 of the same small business manifesto says:
“The EU is responsible for a great deal of UK employment legislation. A good example of excessive EU regulation is proposals for 'longer and better maternity leave'...
...UKIP proposes to vastly simplify this legislation. It would be up to each employer to decide whether to offer parental leave and this would be one of the items included in the standard employment contract (see above). An SME which refuses to offer parental leave will either have to offer young women higher salaries than other businesses which offer a long leave period or they will simply have to recruit from a smaller pool of potential employees.â€
While they’re at it, they’re also going to scrap Statutory Maternity Pay (currently worth £136.78 a week) and replace it with a stay-at-home allowance of just £64 a week.
“UKIP is in favour of simplifying the welfare system and reducing wasteful bureaucracy. Rather than playing the ‘money-go-round’ with the attendant administrative burden, UKIP would abolish SMP entirely and simply allow parents who stay at home with their children to claim a weekly parental allowance set at the same level as the Basic Cash Benefit proposed in our welfare policy (in other words, around £64 per week for parents aged 25 and above) regardless of how long they are off work and regardless of the other spouse’s income.â€
Section 3.2 of the same small business manifesto says:
“The EU is responsible for a great deal of UK employment legislation. A good example of excessive EU regulation is proposals for 'longer and better maternity leave'...
...UKIP proposes to vastly simplify this legislation. It would be up to each employer to decide whether to offer parental leave and this would be one of the items included in the standard employment contract (see above). An SME which refuses to offer parental leave will either have to offer young women higher salaries than other businesses which offer a long leave period or they will simply have to recruit from a smaller pool of potential employees.â€
While they’re at it, they’re also going to scrap Statutory Maternity Pay (currently worth £136.78 a week) and replace it with a stay-at-home allowance of just £64 a week.
“UKIP is in favour of simplifying the welfare system and reducing wasteful bureaucracy. Rather than playing the ‘money-go-round’ with the attendant administrative burden, UKIP would abolish SMP entirely and simply allow parents who stay at home with their children to claim a weekly parental allowance set at the same level as the Basic Cash Benefit proposed in our welfare policy (in other words, around £64 per week for parents aged 25 and above) regardless of how long they are off work and regardless of the other spouse’s income.â€
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Will also add in they would like paid holiday scrapped also
As well as sick pay , overtime , redundancy also
As well as sick pay , overtime , redundancy also
SocketRocket
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Dont see much wrong with that. IMO people need to take more responsibility for their actions and not rely on the State/Tax payer to support their lifestyle decisions. We need to start discouraging population increase.
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SocketRocket
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Evidence please!
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I have no doubt you don't see much wrong it
But I expect a very high percentage of the female population will see a great deal wrong with hence why I dont expect UKIP will get many female voters
In fact when it comes to the General Elections I believe they will get very minimal votes and no MP's in parliament and will carry on being insignificant
Thankfully the majority of the UK population will not vote for them I believe
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5. Paid holiday? Scrapped. UKIP would scrap your legal right to four weeks’ paid holiday.
We get our legal right to four weeks’ paid leave from European Law (along with a host of other rights). UKIP would withdraw from the EU, and leave us without this Europe-wide guarantee of four weeks’ paid leave.
If that’s not clear enough, they helpfully spell it out in section 3.1 of their small business manifesto:
“UKIP would put an end to most legislation regarding matters such as weekly working hours, holidays and holiday, overtime, redundancy or sick pay etc. and provide a statutory, standard, very short employment contract template.â€
Oh also believe in their business manifesto they want to scrap the equality legislation which would mean bosses could pay females less for doing the same work as men
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SocketRocket
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Wasn't the case in the EU elections and probably wont be in the General Election. I get the feeling from people I know that there is a great deal of support for them and it's growing fast.
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Yet not long after that when it came to local elections they were unable to gain control of any councils ?
SocketRocket
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Not yet.
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So do you not think on the back of the Euro elections they would have progressed but they gained control over none - nothing - people didn't want the party controlling their council - speaks volumes.
Even when the country didn't really know who they wanted in the last election - UKIP got no MP's - none , zilch , nada
User20205
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This demonstrates why they're unelectable. They (and you) would advocate penalising pregnacy by abolishing maternity pay
Rather than caring for the most vunerable in society they'd rather punish them. Rather than providing for the next generation they'd rather 'manage' population increase
Seems a bit myopic to me. If you take that to an extreme, and discourage families surely you'd be left with an ageing population that rely on an immigrant workforce
Surely you wouldn't advocate that?
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How many people actually read the parties manifestos? I mean all of them cover to cover to find out which party best suits the needs of the individual reading it.
I would reckon a good percentage don't bother and get their opinion from what the media and papers publish, then if they can be bothered to vote they choose a box to put the cross in on the day.
Of those that are left some will read the parts of the parties policies based around their own needs and interests, but not get an overall picture of how each party will affect the country, but will vote on their own individual needs.
Those that are left will be the ones that read the manifestos cover to cover and choose who to vote for based on sounds knowledge that they know what each party will do should they get elected.
For me, I voted once when I turned 18, why? Because I could, did it make any difference? Not really, the area I live in is Labour, has been labour since I was born and most likely will remain labour for a long time to come.
Why haven't I voted since? Well colour my cynical, but ALL politicians are nothing but educated idiots, who quite happily pay lip service to the populous to curry favour and get votes. They are all as bad as each other.
When my uncle was alive, he and my dad would chew the at and inevitably conversation would turn to current affairs and politics, to which my dad would say "This is a stupid country we live in", my uncle would reply "No, this is a great country e live in, it's just run by stupid people", never a truer word spoken.
I would reckon a good percentage don't bother and get their opinion from what the media and papers publish, then if they can be bothered to vote they choose a box to put the cross in on the day.
Of those that are left some will read the parts of the parties policies based around their own needs and interests, but not get an overall picture of how each party will affect the country, but will vote on their own individual needs.
Those that are left will be the ones that read the manifestos cover to cover and choose who to vote for based on sounds knowledge that they know what each party will do should they get elected.
For me, I voted once when I turned 18, why? Because I could, did it make any difference? Not really, the area I live in is Labour, has been labour since I was born and most likely will remain labour for a long time to come.
Why haven't I voted since? Well colour my cynical, but ALL politicians are nothing but educated idiots, who quite happily pay lip service to the populous to curry favour and get votes. They are all as bad as each other.
When my uncle was alive, he and my dad would chew the at and inevitably conversation would turn to current affairs and politics, to which my dad would say "This is a stupid country we live in", my uncle would reply "No, this is a great country e live in, it's just run by stupid people", never a truer word spoken.
Khamelion
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This demonstrates why they're unelectable. They (and you) would advocate penalising pregnacy by abolishing maternity pay
Rather than caring for the most vunerable in society they'd rather punish them. Rather than providing for the next generation they'd rather 'manage' population increase
Seems a bit myopic to me. If you take that to an extreme, and discourage families surely you'd be left with an ageing population that rely on an immigrant workforce
Surely you wouldn't advocate that?
Most people probably wouldn't but as I've just written in post #36, the majority of people won't read UKIP's entire manifesto and will vote based upon one or two topics that fits their own requirements.
People may vote for UKIP based on their European policy, not their maternity one.
A bunch of nutters.
SocketRocket
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This demonstrates why they're unelectable. They (and you) would advocate penalising pregnacy by abolishing maternity pay
Rather than caring for the most vunerable in society they'd rather punish them. Rather than providing for the next generation they'd rather 'manage' population increase
Seems a bit myopic to me. If you take that to an extreme, and discourage families surely you'd be left with an ageing population that rely on an immigrant workforce
Surely you wouldn't advocate that?
Where did I say anything about abolition of Maternity Pay. Paternity pay is more of an issue with me and keeping the costs under control to an extent that we do not encourage child birth as a main revenue source.
Do you not have concerns for population growth, it's effect on public services and how it can be funded. I cant see how encouraging people to have more children than they can afford to care for is of great benefit to society, who exactly should fund the cost of raising children? (Please don't say the Government)
Most people will grow old and that includes new born and immigrants, they will add to the ageing population and if you have a policy to fund this by higher birth rates and immigrants then you will need an exponential number which is absolute stupidity.
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SocketRocket
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Of course!
Or, pull out. Sort immigration as it was based on GDP and we'd be splitting our wealth with fewer numbers and increase our GDP and ranking in said list.......?
Theyll get plenty, having been back home in my local estate pub. You could prove to half the goers that they had said all women should live in a kitchen and know there place is there and upstairs and they'd still vote for them coz of the "bloody foreigners".