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UKIP have been in the forefront of the news again this week with Douglas Carswel defecting to them from the Conservatives.

Are they swivel eyed loons, fruitcakes and closet racists or an up and coming power to be reckoned with? Do their policies strike a chord with a great number of people in the country who feel no one listens to them or will actually change anything?

Lets try and have a constructive debate on it and hopefully with some detailed subject matter above one liner soundbites!
 
I quite like Nigel Farage, I think he's one of the most capable politicians in British politics.

There is no chance I'd vote for him or his party. I absolutely disagree with ukips policy on Europe. Simplistically I think we are stronger as part of a trading block. I read somewhere recently that if the UK was a US state, we would be the second poorest behind Alabama!!

That to me sums up our place in the world .

Also it will always be the party of nutcases like Godfrey Bloom.

It will always attract the 'idiot' fringe.

That said, they have a roll to play in the next election , both labour and the Tories will attempt to stop hemoraging voters to UKIP, and that may make for some interesting manifestos
 
Some say Carswell wasn't going anywhere in the Tory hierarchy , in which case he is a loser trying to scrabble for self preservation , others say he was a rising future star which is very different .

From what I can see ukip is predominately concerned with our position in Europe , I havnt seen anything relating to the uk economy, health service, education etc
They come across as a 1 message party and if they want to be taken seriously , they need to start putting their domestic agenda across
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Some say Carswell wasn't going anywhere in the Tory hierarchy , in which case he is a loser trying to scrabble for self preservation , others say he was a rising future star which is very different .

From what I can see ukip is predominately concerned with our position in Europe , I havnt seen anything relating to the uk economy, health service, education etc
They come across as a 1 message party and if they want to be taken seriously , they need to start putting their domestic agenda across
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Here are some of them Fragger:

http://www.ukip.org/issues

I think they do try to get these things across but the generally held opinion is they are a one trick pony. Maybe the popular press want it that way.
 
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Well al be the first to say they will get my vote.

can remember my dad during the miners strike of 1984 saying there is no difference between labour and the Tories. God how I laughed. 30 years later I tell my son the same thing.

thank god we have a royal family coz president thatcher, Blair, Major, Cameron would cut me to the bone and president clegg lets not even go there.

UKIP well deffo upset the apple cart at next election to what extent we will see, but I can see them doing better than the liberals with Clegg nut being left in the wilderness.
 
Yup think the lib dems are a spent force now
I can see ukip splitting the labour and Tory vote and getting a foothold, wouldn't be surprised at all
 
As much has Farage has quiet a positive effect on UKIP. The damage that Clegg has done for the Liberals for me is immense. Come what may UKIP will take votes of all three party's.
 
therod said:
I quite like Nigel Farage, I think he's one of the most capable politicians in British politics.

There is no chance I'd vote for him or his party. I absolutely disagree with ukips policy on Europe. Simplistically I think we are stronger as part of a trading block. I read somewhere recently that if the UK was a US state, we would be the second poorest behind Alabama!!

That to me sums up our place in the world .

Also it will always be the party of nutcases like Godfrey Bloom.

It will always attract the 'idiot' fringe.

That said, they have a roll to play in the next election , both labour and the Tories will attempt to stop hemoraging voters to UKIP, and that may make for some interesting manifestos
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I believe Britain has the 4th largest economy in the World.
 
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HomerJSimpson said:
I can see them making some gains next year. Whether they'll be a force in years to come is dubious.
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I think that depends on weather the other parties will start listening to what so many peoples concerns are and be prepared to act; rather than promise, rater than believing they know better.
 
therod said:
It includes the SE, without it we'd be worst off than Mississippi! Sounds like an argument to stay in a trading block to me.
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I think it a complete myth that if we left the EU we would lose all our trade with it. We currently trade at a deficit so the EU would lose one of its largest markets bringing a big increase in unemployment.

Our position as a US State is not really important as it wont happen. We are still the Worlds 4th largest economy and as such quite capable of surviving, especially without our current restrictions n trade agreements.
 
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May I introduce some common sense into the debate?

Last week I purchased two packs of Tesco kippers.

I had one of them on Wednesday for lunch with some fresh wholemeal bread and put the other one in the freezer.

PS

Yes - I've been on the red.
 
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They certainly won't get many female voters with some of the garbage about them they have come out with
 
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