rickg
Money List Winner
Was it or wasn't it?
Kevin Na Airshot
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rickg
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bobmac
Major Champion
No way. He bailed out at the top and just swung through
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
It's certainly not like a normal swing.
Mind you he wasn't happy with it when he finally did hit it.
Still leading though...
Mind you he wasn't happy with it when he finally did hit it.
Still leading though...
Was it or wasn't it?
You'd have to be very new to golf to think that was a fresh air shot
Ethan
Money List Winner
As much as I dislike that slow twitchy annoying little sod, no way was it a fresh air shot.
rickg
Money List Winner
You mean like Tommy Gainey?
fellow American Tommy "Two Gloves" Gainey said Na had made a very lucky escape.
"My immediate reaction* was he swung at it. I mean, because, just look at the force of his swing.
"He had a lot of power in that swing and he pulled up.
"To me, just that one look at it, I think he tried to hit it."
You mean like Tommy Gainey?
fellow American Tommy "Two Gloves" Gainey said Na had made a very lucky escape.
"My immediate reaction* was he swung at it. I mean, because, just look at the force of his swing.
"He had a lot of power in that swing and he pulled up.
"To me, just that one look at it, I think he tried to hit it."
think he's being inflammatory and inciting, its so obviously not a fresh air shot, what PRO (nevermind anyone playing more than 6 mths) would ever have a fresh air shot on a Tee'd ball, c'mon dont be so naive
rickg
Money List Winner
I don't think it was an air shot.......but how stupid was he to even do it and risk it being deemed so?
RGDave
Money List Winner
Yup. That's the comment.
Well dodgy. I think he bailed on the shot deliberately, although he looked as though he was set to go in all honesty.
If it was ruled OK, you've got to go along with that. How often does a pro inadvertently completely miss the ball with a melon on the end of a stick?
kev_off_the_tee
Journeyman Pro
isn't the point that he practiced and then took a swing after setting himself at address. I've seen players bail out and stop the swing of the club head before it passes the ball. I think once a player sets himself, swings and follows through past the ball it has to be counted.
Kevin Na took a full swing regardless of change of direction/bail out
Kevin Na took a full swing regardless of change of direction/bail out
bobmac
Major Champion
This is from his tweetbook thingy
Kevin Na Fan Page
everyone is talking about the swing i made on 15 tee. it is not a "wiff." my intention is NOT to hit the ball. with the speed coming down i can not stop the swing and the only thing i can do is to pull up. which make me swing over the top of the ball. i've done this many times playing on the PGA TOUR and the officials are aware of my habits. i even had rules officials come tell me that i can keep doing this and it'll not be a problem. i also learned today from rules official Jon Brendel that if i do make contact with the ball but intention was NOT to hit it. it will not count.
And here's his swing about a foot above the ball
Kevin Na Fan Page
everyone is talking about the swing i made on 15 tee. it is not a "wiff." my intention is NOT to hit the ball. with the speed coming down i can not stop the swing and the only thing i can do is to pull up. which make me swing over the top of the ball. i've done this many times playing on the PGA TOUR and the officials are aware of my habits. i even had rules officials come tell me that i can keep doing this and it'll not be a problem. i also learned today from rules official Jon Brendel that if i do make contact with the ball but intention was NOT to hit it. it will not count.
And here's his swing about a foot above the ball
kev_off_the_tee
Journeyman Pro
I dont know any other player in the world who takes a full practice swing right over the ball. surely it can only be to the detriment of your genuine swing due to the height of the swing.
whether he meant it or not it should be ruled against as one stewards interpretation may be different to that of another. and the stupid suggestion that if he hits it that it wouldn't count, BO**OCKS
This is just one ruling of a few that needs to be looked at very soon.
Sorry but this has got my back up and I feel sorry for others that get penalised for silly things or genuine mistakes
whether he meant it or not it should be ruled against as one stewards interpretation may be different to that of another. and the stupid suggestion that if he hits it that it wouldn't count, BO**OCKS
This is just one ruling of a few that needs to be looked at very soon.
Sorry but this has got my back up and I feel sorry for others that get penalised for silly things or genuine mistakes
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Its down to the player to be honest about his "intent."
He missed by several streets, whether intentional or not he said his "intent" was to miss. Therefore, whether you like it or not, it wasn't a shot. Read the rules guys.
Nothing to see here, move along now.
He missed by several streets, whether intentional or not he said his "intent" was to miss. Therefore, whether you like it or not, it wasn't a shot. Read the rules guys.
Nothing to see here, move along now.
Judging by the shot he hit immediately after that swing, it doesnt work!
MashieNiblick
Tour Winner
Interesting one.
Definition of a stroke is:
"A "stroke" is the forward movement of the club made with the intention of striking at and moving the ball, but if a player checks his downswing voluntarily before the clubhead reaches the ball he has not made a stroke."
Decision 14/1.5 Intent to Strike Ball Ceases During Downswing; Club Not Stopped But Path of Clubhead Altered to Avoid Striking Ball says:
"Q. A player begins his downswing with the intention of striking the ball but decides during the downswing not to strike the ball. The player is unable to stop the club before it reaches the ball, but he is able to swing intentionally over the top of the ball. Is the player deemed to have made a stroke?
A. No. The player is considered to have checked his downswing voluntarily by altering the path of his downswing and missing the ball even though the swing carried the clubhead beyond the ball.
If the player had not successfully checked his downswing (i.e. he had struck the ball), he is considered to have made a stroke. Any doubt regarding the player’s intent must be resolved against the player."
So if there was no intent then it is not a stroke.
However, as for not counting if he hits it, that does seem a bit dubious given the wording of the decision. I guess the official is thinking that as the ball is on the tee, if it isn't a stroke, it isn't in play so it's simply the same as accidentally knocking it off the tee. Would be some fun with the Rules officials and other players if he did make contact though and claimed he had pulled out.
Definition of a stroke is:
"A "stroke" is the forward movement of the club made with the intention of striking at and moving the ball, but if a player checks his downswing voluntarily before the clubhead reaches the ball he has not made a stroke."
Decision 14/1.5 Intent to Strike Ball Ceases During Downswing; Club Not Stopped But Path of Clubhead Altered to Avoid Striking Ball says:
"Q. A player begins his downswing with the intention of striking the ball but decides during the downswing not to strike the ball. The player is unable to stop the club before it reaches the ball, but he is able to swing intentionally over the top of the ball. Is the player deemed to have made a stroke?
A. No. The player is considered to have checked his downswing voluntarily by altering the path of his downswing and missing the ball even though the swing carried the clubhead beyond the ball.
If the player had not successfully checked his downswing (i.e. he had struck the ball), he is considered to have made a stroke. Any doubt regarding the player’s intent must be resolved against the player."
So if there was no intent then it is not a stroke.
However, as for not counting if he hits it, that does seem a bit dubious given the wording of the decision. I guess the official is thinking that as the ball is on the tee, if it isn't a stroke, it isn't in play so it's simply the same as accidentally knocking it off the tee. Would be some fun with the Rules officials and other players if he did make contact though and claimed he had pulled out.
idTommo
Club Champion
Air shot, end of ......
if i was playing him i would have called him on it, full speed swing.
if we get called on knocking the ball off the tee at adress then that to me is an airshot
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if i was playing him i would have called him on it, full speed swing.
if we get called on knocking the ball off the tee at adress then that to me is an airshot
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Think you'll find that's not a penalty Tommo
ADB
Journeyman Pro
2 things - it was definitely not an airshot, see Mashie Niblicks post above - it is quite clear and within the rules.
Also, not sure what you mean about knocking the ball off the tee?? Surely you dont penalise yourself for that??
