joining fees

stevie_r said:
Because I believe the broad concept to be that one day people would be subsidising you
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No they won't. Golf clubs are desperate to stop this and many have as seniors are bleeding the clubs dry. I have no desire to get cheaper fees when I'm older and can play when I like. I chose to play my golf at X golf club, I knew the fees, I chose to pay them. I don't believe that because I kept the club going before someone else was even born that I should have a right to cheaper golf.

If your a full member you pay full fees.
 
thecraw said:
You see that is 100% wrong. Why should I subsidise you?
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NO I SUBIDISED ALL THE YOUNGER PLAYERS THAT PAY REDUCE FEES BECAUSE I PAID FULL FEES FOR OVER 25YRS . And stayed loyal to the same club even when the weather was bad and the course closed . Not like some who jump ship when the going gets tough
 
Wishaw_Hacker said:
I think that's where the problem comes from, if more and more people are eligible (subsidised), there are less people left to subsidise or the fees need to keep rising and people end up leaving.
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It'll be a thing of the past within 10 years.

Old codgers should pay up like everyone else. They have no divine right.
 
williamalex1 said:
NO I SUBIDISED ALL THE YOUNGER PLAYERS THAT PAY REDUCE FEES BECAUSE I PAID FULL FEES FOR OVER 25YRS . And stayed loyal to the same club even when the weather was bad and the course closed . Not like some who jump ship when the going gets tough
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Tough. You chose to pay, no one forced you. You deserve nothing for free in life. If your a full member you pay full fees. Simple concept.
 
williamalex1 said:
NO I SUBIDISED ALL THE YOUNGER PLAYERS THAT PAY REDUCE FEES BECAUSE I PAID FULL FEES FOR OVER 25YRS . And stayed loyal to the same club even when the weather was bad and the course closed . Not like some who jump ship when the going gets tough
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But the juniors pay a reduced fee and don't have the same rights as full members, most old duffers still think they own the course so I can't see where your coming from.
 
thecraw said:
You see that is 100% wrong. Why should I subsidise you?
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woop woop ive waited to post till this came up.
i dont have a problem with a joining fee, barring me moving to another country (think euro millions) im staying at my new course for ever. i see the joining fee as me paying a wee bit extra to the club. now over 40 years thats nothing. BUT its the free golf that mine and other courses that is killing clubs.
ive yet to attend my first AGM at bogside but i will attend and im interested in how MY club is run and what we are going to do to protect its future. ive written a list of questions and sugestions already and have talked to the secretary about them.
free golf isnt helping. so you pay your dues for 40 years then you cud get another 40 for nought. that is mental, clubs are changing and money talks (and walks).
a scenerio that cud happen is that there are more folk playing for free than paying at courses.:angry:
 
thecraw said:
No they won't. Golf clubs are desperate to stop this and many have as seniors are bleeding the clubs dry. I have no desire to get cheaper fees when I'm older and can play when I like. I chose to play my golf at X golf club, I knew the fees, I chose to pay them. I don't believe that because I kept the club going before someone else was even born that I should have a right to cheaper golf.

If your a full member you pay full fees.
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I did say broad concept craw. I fully agree that the subsidised senior sections whilst being rewarded for years of support and membership aren't putting much into the club coffers.
I have more issue however with the fact that someone under 30 pays less for a full membership than I do for my off peak. Why should the 30 - 65 age group subsidise someone under 30?

The thread seems to have digressed a bit. Joining fees? I wouldn't pay one - end of story. Far, far too much choice of club out there and it's a 'buyers' market. As far as I'm concerned it's a simple arrangement, I'll pay you £x and you let me play golf here for x months.

There will always be those clubs that charge the earth for exclusivity, and people who will pay it - good luck to them. Your average run of the mill club needs to wise up a bit however. When I moved over here 18 months ago I was looking for a new club to join, I spoke to one locally who I won't name, however, I spoke to a very haughty sounding female secretary who told me with an air of disdain that no, they didn't apply any discount for Husband and Wife both taking out full memberships together. They didn't need to and furthermore (proudly) unlike most clubs in the area still charged a joining fee - because they could.

Well that joining fee is reducing, they are trying to grab people in on 15 months golf for 12 months fees and have a horrible garrish banner advertising the fact up on the road that runs past the course.
 
Having served on a club committee that age group is the age group that clubs are most likely to lose. It was initially 18-25 however over years has crept up to 30 for some reason.

It was designed initially because juniors on turning 18 couldn't usually afford the jump to gents fees and often some went onto university or college. I'm not saying I agree with it but I know why it was done and can still see some merit in it. I wouldn't allow it as high as 30 and think 25 is a better age.
 
stevie_r said:
I did say broad concept craw. I fully agree that the subsidised senior sections whilst being rewarded for years of support and membership aren't putting much into the club coffers.
I have more issue however with the fact that someone under 30 pays less for a full membership than I do for my off peak. Why should the 30 - 65 age group subsidise someone under 30?

The thread seems to have digressed a bit. Joining fees? I wouldn't pay one - end of story. Far, far too much choice of club out there and it's a 'buyers' market. As far as I'm concerned it's a simple arrangement, I'll pay you £x and you let me play golf here for x months.

There will always be those clubs that charge the earth for exclusivity, and people who will pay it - good luck to them. Your average run of the mill club needs to wise up a bit however. When I moved over here 18 months ago I was looking for a new club to join, I spoke to one locally who I won't name, however, I spoke to a very haughty sounding female secretary who told me with an air of disdain that no, they didn't apply any discount for Husband and Wife both taking out full memberships together. They didn't need to and furthermore (proudly) unlike most clubs in the area still charged a joining fee - because they could.

Well that joining fee is reducing, they are trying to grab people in on 15 months golf for 12 months fees and have a horrible garrish banner advertising the fact up on the road that runs past the course.
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Would that be Erskine by chance?
 
thecraw said:
Old codgers should pay up like everyone else. They have no divine right.
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Tell me Craw; why do you need to use such rude remarks against older people. Would you use these comments when referring your parents? You may have an opinion to what Seniors subscriptions should be but there is no need to demonise old people.
 
Imurg said:
I've been looking at local clubs with a view to a move at some stage and the one that ticks most boxes is the one that has a joining fee. Well it doesn't but it does. Fees are £1221 a year for the first 5 years, then the rate drops to the "members loyalty rate" of £1071 - the difference being £750. So its a joining fee in all but name.........an extra £150 a year.

If a club has a Joining Fee or a pseudo one like above then I would definitely think twice about joining.
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Assume that must be Ellesborough? £1200 a year - that must be 7 day surely and even then feels a touch pricey
 
SocketRocket said:
Tell me Craw; why do you need to use such rude remarks against older people. Would you use these comments when referring your parents? You may have an opinion to what Seniors subscriptions should be but there is no need to demonise old people.
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Ooooooooooooft. I will refrain from going into a rant at yourself.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Same my place. Apart from the obvious pecuniary advantage - having a joining fee will most likely tie a new member in for at least a year or two, and if to be paid over say three years pay it does mean that a new member is likely to stay for at least three years.
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I had to look that up.....
pecuniary advantage

"financial advantage that is dishonestly obtained by deception and that constitutes a criminal offence"

:confused:
 
Imurg said:
I've been looking at local clubs with a view to a move at some stage and the one that ticks most boxes is the one that has a joining fee. Well it doesn't but it does. Fees are £1221 a year for the first 5 years, then the rate drops to the "members loyalty rate" of £1071 - the difference being £750. So its a joining fee in all but name.........an extra £150 a year.

If a club has a Joining Fee or a pseudo one like above then I would definitely think twice about joining.
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Thems are the 7 day rates, 5 day rates are a couple of hundred less
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Isnt that discriminating against new members?
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No it's a Joining Fee - just disguised so they can say they have no Joining fee.

Let's face it, general consensus on here is that Joining fees are not welcome..........

They also have a sliding scale, as do many clubs, that we've had plenty of discussion about before on here.....

It's discrimination - but lawful.
 
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