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Ice bucket nonsense

la_lucha said:
I am not forced to donate to any of them. Upon being nominated for the Ice Bucket, I am expected to do it and seen as a grumpy git if I don't. Charity should be a choice and not forced upon us.




Personally I feel that ALS/Macmillan has now had a lot of money and a charity that's going to get my money is one that hasn't just had a large injection of cash via a worldwide "fad". I can only donate so much a month and I must make a decision about whom I feel is most deserving at that time.
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No one has "forced" you to do anything

But you have just dismissed others that have done it suggesting it's all about popularity ?!

It's not a "charity" contest - the reason why these charities have got a big cash influx is because of this "fad"
 
la_lucha said:
I was in the chipshop the other night and someone came in, dry as a bone but a little scruffy looking. First thing he said to the girl in the chippy, "sorry I've just done this Ice Bucket challenge so I'm a little cold." I have absolutely no idea what relevance this had to his order of Donor Kebab with chips and Chilli sauce and a chicken and mushroom pie and chips, but he felt the need to brag about me. People are not doing this for awareness of the illness, they are doing it for their own gratuitous purposes and most are NOT DONATING to charity. There is even confusion as to whether it's for ALS or Macmillan now and no-one as far as I'm aware has come out to clear it up. It's a bit conniving of macmillan to get in on the act in my opinion. It's the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge and not the Macmillan Ice bucket challenge.
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Poor attitude.

One bloke in the chippy is a bit of a tosser and you suddenly accuse all participants of selfish vanity?

Many charities have been promoting the ice bucket challenge for long before it went viral. It just so happened that ALS was the charity it took off for. Not a case of Macmillan getting in on the act at all.

At the end of the day, if it raises awareness and encourages people to donate to whatever charity then that can only be positive.
 
la_lucha said:
I was in the chipshop the other night and someone came in, dry as a bone but a little scruffy looking. First thing he said to the girl in the chippy, "sorry I've just done this Ice Bucket challenge so I'm a little cold." I have absolutely no idea what relevance this had to his order of Donor Kebab with chips and Chilli sauce and a chicken and mushroom pie and chips, but he felt the need to brag about me. People are not doing this for awareness of the illness, they are doing it for their own gratuitous purposes and most are NOT DONATING to charity. There is even confusion as to whether it's for ALS or Macmillan now and no-one as far as I'm aware has come out to clear it up. It's a bit conniving of macmillan to get in on the act in my opinion. It's the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge and not the Macmillan Ice bucket challenge.
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Perhaps that (bold bit) was the reason. Or maybe just the 'need to be noticed' that seems to be being highlighted.

Interesting effect and attitudes too. I've known 2 sufferers/victims of MND (one actually a Doctor who apparently plotted the progress of his battle - that involved lots of walking) and it's an awful condition, so great to see some funding.

Red Nose day is another interesting and innovative, way to raise money and the Telethons and Annual events like Help a London Child provide fun ways also. There must be a saturation point and it seems to me, as a foreigner, that Brits are 'bludged' upon more than most, as many of the smaller fund-raising is for things that should come out of Central Government funding anyway (ie Taxes).

I'm happy to contribute or partake in reasonable events (or even some spectacularly unreasonable ones) though! But, like Slab, I do object to being 'bullied' into taking part or contributing!
 
Liverpoolphil said:
No one has "forced" you to do anything

But you have just dismissed others that have done it suggesting it's all about popularity ?!

It's not a "charity" contest - the reason why these charities have got a big cash influx is because of this "fad"
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By Nominating me I was being forced into doing it, people take a dim view if you refuse to participate.

All charities compete in the same way that businesses do. They all wish to take a share of the pot that us general public are donating. MacMillan need £x to continue the good work they are doing, they need to compete with other charities to get your money. The adverts that these charities use are usually an appeal, they are appealing to us to donate to them over other charities because each individual only has so much to give.
 
la_lucha said:
By Nominating me I was being forced into doing it, people take a dim view if you refuse to participate.

All charities compete in the same way that businesses do. They all wish to take a share of the pot that us general public are donating. MacMillan need £x to continue the good work they are doing, they need to compete with other charities to get your money. The adverts that these charities use are usually an appeal, they are appealing to us to donate to them over other charities because each individual only has so much to give.
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Being nominated isn't being "forced"

I nominated someone - he didn't want to do it but donated money - haven't taken a dim view on him

Charities appeal for you to donate - not donate over another charity but just donate.

It's your choice at the end of the day and that I don't have any issue with

What I do have an issue with is the judgements you have made against people that have done the Ice bucket challenge
 
No one is being forced into this, nominated or not. I know a few people that haven't and they were lampooned on FB but I also know they have their own charities they support based on things that have affected their immediate family. If someone really got the hump on FB or social media with me for not doing, I'd question whether they were a friend anyway. If it was just an unknown jumping on the bandwagon I couldn't give a rat's for their opinion. As long as I feel comfortable with my own actions throughout life and my family and loved ones respect my decisions (that's different to always agreeing) then I'm happy. A cold bucket of water over my head won't change that
 
la_lucha said:
My only judgement is that most are seeing it as a popularity contest and not about the charity.
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There are millions upon millions who have done it and it's raised over £50mil now -

Sorry but you can't justify a statement that suggests "most" are seeing it as a popularity contest

There will be the minority who will throw water over their head and not donate but from what I have witnessed on my timeline etc is they are in a minority.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
There are millions upon millions who have done it and it's raised over £50mil now -

Sorry but you can't justify a statement that suggests "most" are seeing it as a popularity contest

There will be the minority who will throw water over their head and not donate but from what I have witnessed on my timeline etc is they are in a minority.
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Ok Phil, I see why many users fall out with you now. Let's replace MOST with MANY. Happy now?

I do not think we should be co-erced into donating to charity and shunned if we don't. I also dislike the many that are tipping water over their heads and not donating.
 
la_lucha said:
My only judgement is that most are seeing it as a popularity contest and not about the charity.
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Liverpoolphil said:
There are millions upon millions who have done it and it's raised over £50mil now -

Sorry but you can't justify a statement that suggests "most" are seeing it as a popularity contest

There will be the minority who will throw water over their head and not donate but from what I have witnessed on my timeline etc is they are in a minority.
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I have to agree with the sentiments of La Lucha and would be interested to know how many of the thousands on FB are actually texting a donation as well rather than just putting a video up to amuse and entertain their mates. Yes I do accept its raised millions and its to be applauded for that but the far greater majority woould seem to be in the US rather than here in the UK where I do feel it's become a craze and the charity element lost for many.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
I have to agree with the sentiments of La Lucha and would be interested to know how many of the thousands on FB are actually texting a donation as well rather than just putting a video up to amuse and entertain their mates. Yes I do accept its raised millions and its to be applauded for that but the far greater majority woould seem to be in the US rather than here in the UK where I do feel it's become a craze and the charity element lost for many.
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Care to back that up with any facts Homeslice? Or is it just an opinion?
 
Again it's judgements on the many from the actions of a few

Every person on my timeline who has done an ice bucket challenge has donated or stated they have donated

Every celebrity or figure in the media who has posted a video that I have seen has stated they have donated - many have also posted pictures of the confirmation of their donation - i did.

So based of what I have seen and witnessed on my timeline and that of my friends would suggest that many are actually donating - the fact that £50mil and over has been raised when the donations are normally around a £5 each would suggest that many have donated.

Unless of course people can point to something that goes against that
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Again it's judgements on the many from the actions of a few

Every person on my timeline who has done an ice bucket challenge has donated or stated they have donated

Every celebrity or figure in the media who has posted a video that I have seen has stated they have donated - many have also posted pictures of the confirmation of their donation - i did.

So based of what I have seen and witnessed on my timeline and that of my friends would suggest that many are actually donating - the fact that £50mil and over has been raised when the donations are normally around a £5 each would suggest that many have donated.

Unless of course people can point to something that goes against that
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I can only base my opinion on those that I know have done the IBC. I know approximately 20-30 people that have done this and I'm relatively certain that the vast majority have donated. Some have donated to ALS or MND. I myself donated to Macmillan due to the amazing work they have done with the son of a friend of mine.

Now, here's the secret. When I was nominated, I did think "this is going to be fun". Along with my Wife and Kids, I had a blast doing it. I don't feel guilty that I enjoyed it. I don't feel guilty that my family had fun. I don't feel superior because there have been 3 donations from my account this week. I'm just happy that I could have a bit of fun whilst making a small contribution to a worthwhile cause....
 
I like the "whats next throw yourself in front of a bus"............................One guy tried that last week but it didnt catch on but he did donate, his kidneys, liver, eyes, lungs and more. All for a worthy cause. :rolleyes:

Anything, anything that gets people to donate, even if not everyone donates, has got to be good.
 
bluewolf said:
I can only base my opinion on those that I know have done the IBC. I know approximately 20-30 people that have done this and I'm relatively certain that the vast majority have donated. Some have donated to ALS or MND. I myself donated to Macmillan due to the amazing work they have done with the son of a friend of mine.

Now, here's the secret. When I was nominated, I did think "this is going to be fun". Along with my Wife and Kids, I had a blast doing it. I don't feel guilty that I enjoyed it. I don't feel guilty that my family had fun. I don't feel superior because there have been 3 donations from my account this week. I'm just happy that I could have a bit of fun whilst making a small contribution to a worthwhile cause....
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Summed up perfectly in one

Tonight my two nieces are doing it and they can't wait and they have both given pocket money and birthday money to their mum to donate and they will have a great time
 
Tommo21 said:
I like the "whats next throw yourself in front of a bus"............................One guy tried that last week but it didnt catch on but he did donate, his kidneys, liver, eyes, lungs and more. All for a worthy cause. :rolleyes:

Anything, anything that gets people to donate, even if not everyone donates, has got to be good.
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One bloke threw himself in front of a train. He was chuffed to bits.
 
[video=youtube;WoLbdQi3MIg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoLbdQi3MIg[/video]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Possible swearies around the minute mark :o and you can miss out the first 45 or so seconds
 
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