USER1999
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I do wonder if some of the dutch players are waking up this morning thinking 'if we had played properly, would we have won?'.
Howard Webb makes sure that....
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RGDave
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I agree. He (the ref) did his utmost to avoid sending players off.
I wanted Holland to win (for a few reasons) but in the end the deserving team won. I thought, for a team of quite talented players (Holland), they were cynical from the off.
freddielong
Tour Winner
The thing that wound me up was the way Shearer and hanson condemed the dutch at the end saying it would have been a bad for football if they won blah blah blah - When they congratulate sides week in week out on Match of the day for doing it to Arsenal, you cannot have it both ways you hypocrites
viscount17
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be fair, doing it to Arsenal doesn't count.
Spinn77
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A bit unfair to slag him off - i'm feeling your anti english sentiment again which is a bit boring now. Always reads like you've a huge chip on your shoulder about it all - even if you don't have, i've got to say that's how it appears.
The Dutch, somewhat surprisingly given their form, turned up to spoil. It's also the World Cup Final, a huge showpiece and I'd imagine there are pressures from FIFa to try and keep all the players on the pitch and have nothing too controversial. He was a safe pair of hands for the game.
The Dutch tried to kick the spanish out of the game. I know De Jong could have gone, but dont think he had the best view to issue a red.
Where i think he made a mistake was in not booking RObben for kicking the ball away, then 5 mins later booked the spaniard for it (Spain had just scored, it had all got heated and he prob felt he own the dutch a bit of lee-way)
It may have been a foul on the edge of the Spanish box too, seen them given. It should have been a corner - that decision was quite bad.
But, overall the players were a disgrace, the kicking, shouting off at him, the arguing over throws again...it was really tough and he tried to keep everyone on the pitch. Not sending the fella off would have been bottling it - but he didn't and issued the red.
The Lino was immense in the competition - that's a great shout
The Dutch, somewhat surprisingly given their form, turned up to spoil. It's also the World Cup Final, a huge showpiece and I'd imagine there are pressures from FIFa to try and keep all the players on the pitch and have nothing too controversial. He was a safe pair of hands for the game.
The Dutch tried to kick the spanish out of the game. I know De Jong could have gone, but dont think he had the best view to issue a red.
Where i think he made a mistake was in not booking RObben for kicking the ball away, then 5 mins later booked the spaniard for it (Spain had just scored, it had all got heated and he prob felt he own the dutch a bit of lee-way)
It may have been a foul on the edge of the Spanish box too, seen them given. It should have been a corner - that decision was quite bad.
But, overall the players were a disgrace, the kicking, shouting off at him, the arguing over throws again...it was really tough and he tried to keep everyone on the pitch. Not sending the fella off would have been bottling it - but he didn't and issued the red.
The Lino was immense in the competition - that's a great shout
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thecraw
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Where i think he made a mistake was in not booking RObben for kicking the ball away, then 5 mins later booked the spaniard for it (Spain had just scored, it had all got heated and he prob felt he own the dutch a bit of lee-way) It may have been a foul on the edge of the Spanish box too, seen them given. It should have been a corner - that decision was quite bad.
So you agree then, he got it wrong!
As for your anti-English pish yawn!
So you agree then, he got it wrong!
As for your anti-English pish yawn!
BrianDamage
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If it was England (or Scotland or whoever your team is) in Spain's shoes and if the goal hadn't been scored and it went to pens and Holland won, do you think (those of you who are defending Webb) would still be of the same opinion?
I would say absolutely 100% NOT. You would be absolutely furious with his display and rightly so.
You can't throw the rule book out the window just for the sake of a better spectacle.
I would say absolutely 100% NOT. You would be absolutely furious with his display and rightly so.
You can't throw the rule book out the window just for the sake of a better spectacle.
Redwood
Q-School Graduate
I know the Scottish contingent will not agree, but exactly that happened with Koeman and England, remember?
Should have been sent off, then went up and scored the free kick!!!
Should have been sent off, then went up and scored the free kick!!!
StuartD
Tour Rookie
You are absolutely spot on Redwood.....
I don't agree
Spinn77
Challenge Tour Pro
Sorry Craw, but my comment was aimed soley at Dodger. Not your good self. That that Dodger isnt a nice guy.....Im sure he is......*digs a bigger hole while trying to explain*
Nope
I don't agree he bottled it.
I agree that he made different interpretations to you.
The fact that we're arguing about them means that there were not 'correct and obvious', it means 'they were open to different interpretation'.
If he had sent anyone off in the first 20 minutes the game would have been ruined, because then the Dutch would have 10 men behind the ball, and been playing for penalties for the last 100 minutes.
Like I said. Refs around the world have more freedom to interpret the rules than some guys would like.
The fact that both sides are saying he favoured the opposition is a pretty good sign that he got the majority of it right.
Looking at the early decisions individually :
Van Persie got booked for a late challenge - good decision.
Van Bommel got booked for tackling through teh player from
behind - good decision ( please remember that he made similar challenges every game, and didn't get even booked for it, so don't give it the 'straight red' borrox).
De Jong made contact with a high challenge, and got booked. High feet = free kick. High feet and reckless = booking. High feet, reckless, and violent = sending off. So it's not a black and white decision, there's interpretation to be made. Now if players never dived, or feigned injury, it would be easy to interpret it as a sending off, but the Spaniards have been known to dive occasionally, so the decision could easily be a yellow or a red card. It's easy to give it from the other side of a tv screen after a couple of slow motion replays, but don't talk about bottling it until you've tried it - no other ref at the finals would have sent De Jong off for that one single challenge. Not without hindsight, anyway.
Reffing isn't 'simple'. It's a tough job.
The Dutch coach gave his team instructions for each of the players to individually use foul play until they got booked, and then calm down. It was a cynical instruction which the Dutch followed perfectly.
The thing that annoys me is that the Dutch played enough good football to create several really good goal scoring opportunities, and could easily have won the game if they had simply concentrated on playing their natural game, rather than concentrating on spoiling the game as a spectical.
