How many of us want this guy to be wrong?
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DappaDonDave
Journeyman Pro
I'm in agreement...colleague has a set of old macgregor irons, hits them well...brother in law has Nike forged irons...hits them poorly...
Difference?
Their swings...
Difference?
Their swings...
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
He IS wrong.
Clubs are better and so are shafts, he also says the lie is important (so that means you need a fitting). One club doesn't suit all as there IS a myriad of different golf swings out there. The reason why a club works for a while and then not is because our swing changes a little and then doesn't necessarily suit that club any more. Adjustable drivers will really help with that... I don't know if adjustable irons are available but restassured if someone slices and gets a set of irons where the face is more closed they WILL slice it less.................. for a while
DappaDonDave
Journeyman Pro
He IS wrong.
Clubs are better and so are shafts, he also says the lie is important (so that means you need a fitting). One club doesn't suit all as there IS a myriad of different golf swings out there. The reason why a club works for a while and then not is because our swing changes a little and then doesn't necessarily suit that club any more. Adjustable drivers will really help with that... I don't know if adjustable irons are available but restassured if someone slices and gets a set of irons where the face is more closed they WILL slice it less.................. for a while
But...with decent tuition...you'd hit a set of £40 dunlops as well as some tm R11's. As long as the shafts, lie and length were the same!...
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Nah... you're assuming everyone CAN or WILL change their swing, and then keep it there... that's not ever going to happen so you need different clubs.
DappaDonDave
Journeyman Pro
Lulz...I hope you've had a few sherries...so you're telling me swings change, so everything needs to be adjustable...but what if the swing changes again...instead of learning to play...just buy something...
Manufacturers dream
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Precisely,..... and it IS a manufacurers dream, have you not been to a golf shop recently with a spare £700 in your pocket?... it burns a hole!
Everyone's swing change else we'd be able to hit the same shot time and time again, within centimeters. Sometimes (quite often) I turn up without a swing at all
Added.....
How can a guy with a 70mph swing play the same clubs as someone with a 120mph swing? They can't so you're already talking different shafts. What about the guy who hits the ball low? does he change his swing even though he hits it well? or does he buy a club that gets the ball up a bit quicker?.... there's so many things and that's just two of them.
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garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
hes right for the most part! ITS NOT THE CLUB FOLKS, ITS THE SWING!
although how many times have you grabbed a new shiney or used someone elses new club and hit a screamer! it just instills a placebo type confidance that cant go wrong!
although how many times have you grabbed a new shiney or used someone elses new club and hit a screamer! it just instills a placebo type confidance that cant go wrong!
Stub
Challenge Tour Pro
As long as you have reasonable kit suited to your game it is the swing etc that makes the difference. Says I, still waiting to get cut from 28!!
bladeplayer
Money List Winner
My tuppence worth is i think he is right , no science involved in this conclusion , just experience .. ive trashed guys with the best of gear & lost to guys with gear older than mine .. ive seen guys hacking wit top of the range gear & guys with old gear screaming it ... so i think alot of it is down to the individual
jplkorea83
Assistant Pro
Watching that has just confirmed that I don't need to buy that shiny new driver down at AG tomorrow!
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Dave B
Q-School Graduate
I've got an old set of Hippo AGC irons which are pre 2000, are tungsten weighted and have regular graphite shafts. I also have a set of old McGreggor steel shafted steel head fairways.
I hit them all quite well and to be honest despite buying new clubs there was nothing wrong with the originals and if you had to put a percentage on it in terms of improvement over my current clubs it wouldn't be any where near as high as some may think as the difference is minimal when I compare my scores using my old set and new set.
I was recently fitted for a driver and ended up with a Callaway Razr Fit however the difference between this driver and my previous drivers, (Nike VR Pro, Callaway Daiblo Edge, Callaway FT3), is only marginal.
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A driver has three variables, loft, shaft and lie however for most people we have a standard loft and standard lie that will suit out swing and height. Therefore do we really need adjustable drivers or do we need a head with a specific loft and lie to suit our swing and then a choice of shafts with various characteristics to get the best out of our game?
How many OEM's offer drivers in a standard loft and lie and a choice of changeable shafts at the same price break, i.e. you pay £200 and can choose from a dozen shafts to find the one that suits your swing?
The truth is we don't need the adjustability and most of us would prefer a choice of readily available shafts at the same price break.
Even with the vast array of "new super duper £300" shafts is there really a vast improvement over the old Aldila NV, NVS Graffalloy and Proforce shafts for the average golfer? Somehow I don't think so because graphite technology has not moved on as significantly as manufacturers would have you believe in the last 10 years.
I hit them all quite well and to be honest despite buying new clubs there was nothing wrong with the originals and if you had to put a percentage on it in terms of improvement over my current clubs it wouldn't be any where near as high as some may think as the difference is minimal when I compare my scores using my old set and new set.
I was recently fitted for a driver and ended up with a Callaway Razr Fit however the difference between this driver and my previous drivers, (Nike VR Pro, Callaway Daiblo Edge, Callaway FT3), is only marginal.
Ask a question.
A driver has three variables, loft, shaft and lie however for most people we have a standard loft and standard lie that will suit out swing and height. Therefore do we really need adjustable drivers or do we need a head with a specific loft and lie to suit our swing and then a choice of shafts with various characteristics to get the best out of our game?
How many OEM's offer drivers in a standard loft and lie and a choice of changeable shafts at the same price break, i.e. you pay £200 and can choose from a dozen shafts to find the one that suits your swing?
The truth is we don't need the adjustability and most of us would prefer a choice of readily available shafts at the same price break.
Even with the vast array of "new super duper £300" shafts is there really a vast improvement over the old Aldila NV, NVS Graffalloy and Proforce shafts for the average golfer? Somehow I don't think so because graphite technology has not moved on as significantly as manufacturers would have you believe in the last 10 years.
Yerman
Journeyman Pro
He's talking gospel truth, recently switched from ProV1x to Srixon AD333s made no difference to my game and actually shot best score in 10 months. Just bought a new Scotty Cameron putter, but I like new and shiney, not conning myself otherwise.:fore:
Foxholer
Blackballed
While I reckon he's pretty much spot on, technology has moved on sufficiently that there are more forgiving Drivers that the (fantastic in its day and for some time afterwards) TM320 you have.
Not sure that a brand spanking new one from AG is the best value - unless it's the G15 @ £129! Great value and reduced only because G20 is here!
Hit well, the distance from the 320 will probably be the same as a modern Driver. It's the ones that are hit slightly off-centre where the modern Driver still gets out there pretty far while the 320 will lose significant distance.
Still can't 'buy a game' though!
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kev_off_the_tee
Journeyman Pro
following on from a previous thread of mine I'd say that it is down to a combination of swing and equipment. I was fitted up last week and I was swinging the bats like a dream but shot poorly using my D-fy's as my swing just didn't suit them.
The Pro handed me another off the shelf option and instant improvement. I think that a proper fitting can fine tune things but there is always a OTS option to suit most.
Personally I think that there is every chance someone could play better with an older set of bats than a new set of premium off the shelf bats, but only if their current set are suited to their swing and style of play. If the new bats are better, it may be down to them fitting the player better and the olf set were wrong in the first place
The Pro handed me another off the shelf option and instant improvement. I think that a proper fitting can fine tune things but there is always a OTS option to suit most.
Personally I think that there is every chance someone could play better with an older set of bats than a new set of premium off the shelf bats, but only if their current set are suited to their swing and style of play. If the new bats are better, it may be down to them fitting the player better and the olf set were wrong in the first place
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Which part of 'best score' isn't making a difference?
Clearly you're just not suited to a better ball
Yerman
Journeyman Pro
That's far too logical JustOne.
Neddy
Challenge Tour Pro
I think his argument is assuming that hackers like myself believe that new shinys alone are going to turn me into a good player, when in fact anyone with half a brain know that isn't true.
I've upgraded what's in my bag over the last 3 months. The clubs I use now give me more confidence over the ball than my old clubs did. But any improvement i've made is because I've had 6 lessons since mid march and i plan on having a few more!
I've upgraded what's in my bag over the last 3 months. The clubs I use now give me more confidence over the ball than my old clubs did. But any improvement i've made is because I've had 6 lessons since mid march and i plan on having a few more!
