Hitting up on driver

[JV24601]

Any pro's/experts out there with any good tips on how to hit the driver on the up as it should be hit?
Tour average I know shows they hit slightly down on it but the big hitters hit the ball on the up.
I get decent averages from my driver (250-260 total) but stats show I'm really hitting down on it. I can't help but think if I reverse that I'll gain a lot more.
No matter what I've tried I just cannot hit it on the up though, not even once.

Any advice or mehanics/swing thoughts to help me out please?

It's more experimental really as I'm happy with my distance, but I'm interested to see if I can get more and it's becoming a battle to hit one on the up now and I have to do it!

 

[Hosel Fade]

Tee it high enough to leave yourself room to hit up and still get it on the middle of the club

Tuck the right knee in at address so you get your spine tilting away from target a bit

Make sure you are playing it from the front of your stance

 

[SugarPenguin]

I have the same issue. Tried fixing in by flicking the wrists a bit more at impact. It didn't work

 

[ruff-driver]

At the range drill, tee up, ball opposite outside of left foot, feet together, address ball with a 4 inch gap , now move right foot only to make stance, and swing,
If you can hit down on it from here perhaps knitting may be a better pastime

 

[bobmac]

To hit the ball on the way up, the bottom of the swing has to be before the ball.
To do that you need to either have the ball well forward or the head behind the ball at impact, preferably both.

 

[JV24601]

To hit the ball on the way up, the bottom of the swing has to be before the ball.
To do that you need to either have the ball well forward or the head behind the ball at impact, preferably both.

I've never teed the ball past my left big toe for driver. Do you think there's a point that would be too far left (obviously there is if it's way past but I mean as in maybe just past the left foot?).

 

[Orikoru]

I've never teed the ball past my left big toe for driver. Do you think there's a point that would be too far left (obviously there is if it's way past but I mean as in maybe just past the left foot?).

I tee up with the ball almost directly in line with my left foot when driving, because I also struggle to hit up on the ball. I wouldn't go so far left as it to be outside of my stance though, that just seems ridiculous. Would surely be topping it then? Or hooking it, or both.

 

[bobmac]

It isn't ball position alone.

Below you will see Rory with his head well behind the ball at impact.



Keep your head still and behind the ball

 

[JV24601]

Thanks all. I will give these thoughts and suggestions a go and see if I can finally get a plus (or something close) on my attack angle!

 

[the_coach]

Thanks all. I will give these thoughts and suggestions a go and see if I can finally get a plus (or something close) on my attack angle!

often times folks difficulties to what ever degree of hitting down with driver first off are linked to set-up with ball position and a tad too perpendicular spine angle (when viewed from face on) so it's nearer 90º to the ground so having shoulders nearer the same height level & horizontal to ground - so setting the likelihood of a negative attack angle happening before any motion at all

& often times goin hand in hand with the above is then at transition the upper body moves towards target so taking the head forwards - that "getting infront of the ball" expression
anytime the upper body/sternum moves target side or even just level with overtop of ball the attack angle is pretty much always goin to be down - folks may then try to instinctively 'save' this by either standing up some or 'flipping' the trail hand under - but it's that upper body lateral left move that's a problem

to see if either these things an issue here record the driver swing from face on (best if cell/camera can be opposite and lens around level with the hands and square on image framed to get whole body and club at top in shot)
then check is the ball off of the lead heel area with the sternum & head behind are the shoulders looking too level so line from belt buckle up center to chin looks at or near 90º instead of trail shoulder lower than lead and that 'line' so secondary spine angle tilted aways from target

record the swing motion then check by pausing at impact look at the line from the lead shoulder to lead foot is that line pretty straightways from top to bottom and vertical if it is then the upper body has gone laterally to target with the transition move (taking the head with it) - no secondary spine tilt kept
if secondary spine tilt into impact with driver was being kept there would be an 'angle' in that line from hip height tilted away from target so that 'line' down the left side of whole legs/body would not be straight

 

[the_coach]

check out this vid there's a preamble that don't necessarily have to listen to would go to around 2:26 in and run from there

[video=youtube;Fxo6IFzyopU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxo6IFzyopU[/video]

 

[the_coach]

titles & music runs to 9secs in

[video=youtube;DI1UVn43DIw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI1UVn43DIw[/video]

 

[turkish]

Tried this last drill tonight and went from heel strikes to snap toe hooks.... from one extreme to another guess I need to find the in between... don't get me wrong there was a mixture of shots... good and bad, left right and straight but certainly helped shallow me out

 

[Scozzy]

All good tips but......can I suggest getting a lesson with a pro...? Crazy I know but.... Alignment, grip,ball position, tilt too much...not enough Yada yada yada....Endless potential causes/reasons ,give your pro a few quid and let him help you...good luck

 

[the_coach]

Tried this last drill tonight and went from heel strikes to snap toe hooks.... from one extreme to another guess I need to find the in between... don't get me wrong there was a mixture of shots... good and bad, left right and straight but certainly helped shallow me out

good that the AoA beginning to shallow out some and that the location has moved from the heel! to toeside -

this should help some now to begin to locate middle & for sure if you do this not at full tilt so throttle back to somewheres like 60%

couple things to take on board with this is given a good forwards ball position with sternum (so head) back off of the ball with a secondary spine tilt that when the AoA more levels out or gets to + numbers the clubhead because of the arc is as well as traveling level or up it will also be traveling more left - so initial set up of alignments to whatever target is needs to be a tad to the right - this adjustment made at set-up not while in motion in trying to swing more rightfield

{how much secondary spine tilt? good rule is hold driver upside-down clubhead under chin shaft vertical through center body then tilt the upper chest trail shoulder down until the handle grip end touches the lead leg - would then be in a good ball park secondary spine tilt with driver given also the stance width is just a tad wider than the shoulders}

other things to consider is this secondary spine tilt is the upper body so first off at transition the weight pressure needs to go to the lead leg - it's not a secondary spine tilt that's got in motion by hanging the weight back on the trail leg any that will give ball direction issues both rightfield and left
& the upper body has to keep turning with the lead hip still clearing if this doesn't happen hips & body stop turning and there's a weight hang back on the trailside then snap hook land

if you get to a place that has the AoA more shallow and up with middle contact mostly but the ball still goin leftfield look to whether the hip is clearing good (as opposed the the hips staying square to target line) and the upper body is continuing to turn so chest ribcage 'opening up'

if all that seems to be in pretty good order and still some leftfields then goin to have to look at the orientation of the trail hand - is it too much 'under' the handle/ and/or the lead hand in that at set-up are you able to see the whole logo on the glove - if so then most likely will need to rotate one or both hands a tad counterclockwise on the handle