Hard Hitting Motorbike Video

[FairwayDodger]

Only a biker would think that the car driver was mostly to blame.

Don't think anyone has said the driver was mostly to blame. There were two guilty parties in this accident. One died, you want to exonerate the other, completely missing part of the point of releasing the video.

 

[JustOne]

Don't think anyone has said the driver was mostly to blame. There were two guilty parties in this accident. One died, you want to exonerate the other, completely missing part of the point of releasing the video.

The point of the video is to make motorcyclists SLOW DOWN in my opinion.

Catching the speeders and banning them would also work. All bikes should (by law) be fitted with tachometers IMO.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I don't think you even NEED to see the car, you look up and there is enough clear road for you to make your manoeuvre, and you do so. I've made countless journeys where I can't directly remember how I got to my destination.

That aside, if a biker stoved into my bonnet I doubt I'd remember what my middle name is!

Only a biker would think that the car driver was mostly to blame, even at 97mph so it seems.

If you took the time to read my comment you would see that I have never suggested that blame be apportioned.

In the unlikely event of the rider surviving he would, I am sure, have been prosecuted and almost certainly have lost his licence.

However, that was not possible but does not mean that on some perverse "tit for tat" basis the car driver should escape prosecution for his part in an incident that could, and should, have been avoided by both parties.

 

[FairwayDodger]

The point of the video is to make motorcyclists SLOW DOWN in my opinion.

That was, indeed, one reason for releasing the video. The other was to make all road users take proper observation before executing a manoeuvre. #thinkBike

Catching the speeders and banning them would also work. All bikes should (by law) be fitted with tachometers IMO.

Yip, 'cos only bikers speed.

 

[JustOne]

If you took the time to read my comment you would see that I have never suggested that blame be apportioned.

No, but there's a 'feeling' on the thread that the motorist was very much in the wrong,.. almost an anti-motorist thread.

The guy on the bike was riding like an idiot - that's all there is to it.

Even the judge said

"In passing sentence, Judge Veits said no one had suggested Austin had been driving dangerously, but he had made a mistake that 'sadly' too many other drivers also make, of 'simply' not seeing the motorcycle."

My sympathy is with the driver that an idiot riding a bike has caused him to (potentially) have this on his conscience for the rest of his life. He was UBER LUCKY that the bike rider didn't kill him too.

I don't happen to think the driver made a 'mistake' in not seeing the bike... I don't think the bike was visible at all in the first place... especially not at 97mph.

 

[JustOne]

Yip, 'cos only bikers speed.

I doubt your 'argument' would be so heartfelt if it was an idiot driving a VW Golf at 97mph who simply crashed into another car.

You're not actually trying to DEFEND the fact that he was nearly doing a TON across a junction are you?

#thinkBike

????????? Yeh, OK.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I doubt your 'argument' would be so heartfelt if it was an idiot driving a VW Golf at 97mph who simply crashed into another car.

You're not actually trying to DEFEND the fact that he was nearly doing a TON across a junction are you?

????????? Yeh, OK.

Have you actually read anything I've written on that? NOWHERE have I attempted to justify or excuse the biker; he was an idiot riding at those speeds through that junction.

 

[JustOne]

Have you actually read anything I've written on that? NOWHERE have I attempted to justify or excuse the biker; he was an idiot riding at those speeds through that junction.

Post #6 regarding the driver of the car....

He was largely responsible for the accident so rightly prosecuted and convicted. Biker didn't help himself though, was going way too fast for the road layout.

Not justifying the biker... just blaming the driver instead :mmm:

 

[Birchy]

To be honest I feel sorry for the driver in this as well. The stupidity of the biker has probably ruined their life.

If the bike is going the speed limit the car has probably turned down the lane and is gone by the time the bike gets there.

Both people in the wrong but the biker started the chain of events. One of them wrong time wrong place moments I reckon.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

No, but there's a 'feeling' on the thread that the motorist was very much in the wrong,.. almost an anti-motorist thread.

The guy on the bike was riding like an idiot - that's all there is to it.

Even the judge said My sympathy is with the driver that an idiot riding a bike has caused him to (potentially) have this on his conscience for the rest of his life. He was UBER LUCKY that the bike rider didn't kill him too.

I don't happen to think the driver made a 'mistake' in not seeing the bike... I don't think the bike was visible at all in the first place... especially not at 97mph.

Actually you seem to be the only one turning this thread into a "car drivers = good, bikers = bad" argument.

Whilst both FD & myself have condemned the motor-cyclist for his stupidity you are exonerating from blame the car driver who on a clear day on a straight road failed to see either a speeding bike or a car whose speed is unknown.

Please tell me why the bike was not visible in the first place. Did it have lights on, was it brightly coloured, was the rider wearing high-vis clothing, do you know?​

 

[FairwayDodger]

Post #6 regarding the driver of the car....



Not justifying the biker... just blaming the driver instead :mmm:

Blaming the biker and the driver. Both were at fault. Clearly. In the opinion of the police and proven in a court of law.

The only person trying to excuse anyone here is you.

 

[FairwayDodger]

To be honest I feel sorry for the driver in this as well. The stupidity of the biker has probably ruined their life.

If the bike is going the speed limit the car has probably turned down the lane and is gone by the time the bike gets there.

Both people in the wrong but the biker started the chain of events.

Quite possibly. Also possible is the biker may well have been able to take effective evasive action had he been at the speed limit.

As for starting the chain of events - it's a chicken and egg question. If the driver had seen him and stayed put the biker could have bombed past regardless of his speed.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Unless I'm very much mistaken the average speed on the ride was 97mph.....not the speed at the time of the accident.

I've been a cyclist and a biker all my life and unfortunately cars just don't see bikers a lot of the time - its like we're invisible. I'm fortunate enough to have never had anything serious happen on road....but a lot of bikers don't help themselves I'm afraid.

 

[Birchy]

Quite possibly. Also possible is the biker may well have been able to take effective evasive action had he been at the speed limit.

As for starting the chain of events - it's a chicken and egg question. If the driver had seen him and stayed put the biker could have bombed past regardless of his speed.

Its a real tough situation and a horrible one. I agree with the chicken and egg thing too.

The biker has paid with his life and the car driver will probably have demons for the rest of his. A real sad situation all round.

What the real message should be is to all road users to just take that bit more care as it will save lives.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Its a real tough situation and a horrible one. I agree with the chicken and egg thing too.

The biker has paid with his life and the car driver will probably have demons for the rest of his. A real sad situation all round.

What the real message should be is to all road users to just take that bit more care as it will save lives.

Agreed!

And the real message that you refer to is the one that the rider's mother was emphasising on the video. We all have a responsibility to each other as well as ourselves.

 

[JustOne]

Agreed!

And the real message that you refer to is the one that the rider's mother was emphasising on the video. We all have a responsibility to each other as well as ourselves.

Indeed, I totally agree... We ALL have a responsibility not to do 90+mph and overtake just as we're approaching a junction.

I can uphold my end of that responsibility.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Its a real tough situation and a horrible one. I agree with the chicken and egg thing too.

The biker has paid with his life and the car driver will probably have demons for the rest of his. A real sad situation all round.

What the real message should be is to all road users to just take that bit more care as it will save lives.

Spot on :thup:

 

[JustOne]

If the driver had seen him and stayed put the biker could have bombed past regardless of his speed.

Alas,... the thinking of many a biker I expect.


How about "If the child hadn't of kicked the ball in the road and run out without seeing me I could have bombed past him regardless of speed"

VRoooooooooooommmmmm!

 

[bladeplayer]

I think we are all forgetting it was an ACCIDENT and by definition it really was nobodys fault, but yet both parties contributed to it ,

there were alot of factors to blame here , the bikers speed and dangerous overtaking etc , the motorist who obviously did not heed fully what was happening in front of them (arent we all guilty of it at times ) ..

When you sit on a bike or behind the wheel of a car you are in control of a dangerous weapon that needs to be handled correctly , a bike or a car in the wrong hands or handled incorrectly is no different than a gun in the wrong hands ,

You have to be aware of your own position , IN THIS CASE my opinion is the biker was wrong he was driving dangerously and taking chances and increased the danger for everyone else on the road at that time , at that speed its like playing russian roulette with 3 bullets in the gun , if not today then ur only delaying the inevitable .. a cat or a dog on the road would have been fatal for him at that speed never mind a car

Bikers will blame drivers & vice versa but in reality every incident will be different , some days the biker is wrong some days it will be the driver , there is no definate right or wrong to cover all ..

Can someone please tell me the reason he was wearing a helmet cam ? thats a genuine question by the way

 

[FairwayDodger]

Alas,... the thinking of many a biker I expect.

Surprisingly few. Most quickly learn not to trust other road users to do the right thing. I always assume other vehicles in that position will pull in front of me, I'd have been doing less than the speed limit in that situation.

Sad you insisted on making this a cars vs bikes thread.