Getting paid for having babies

SocketRocket said:
I disagree. UK population growth is driven by the birth rates of immigrants who tend to have more children. If we had no immigration the population would fall rather than increasing by the rate of around six cities the size of Bristol over the next decade. Also, I can not find any data to support your suggestion that death rates annually are decreasing by the rates you suggest, in 2016 they actually increased.

The arguement that we need to increase population to support previous generations is a paradox, these additional people will grow old and need supporting thus needing an exponential number of immigrants and births to support them, this is a plan for disaster as support services cannot keep pace, also more people use up more scarce resorces and thus will create an overloaded society where living standards will have to fall considerably.
People do and in many cases can work and be healthier longer, we have to find better solutions to the aging population than pumping up immigration and/or birthrates to support them
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Easy to find the data just go on the office of national statistics which covers all the info for the UK, a simple Google search alone will pull this information for you, so it's readily available for all to see, which is exactly what I did and used the numbers they quoted.

Ironic though you say you can't find the information to support my suggestion but you manage to pluck a number from thin air equating to six cities worth of decreases population if we had no immigrants in this country having kids 🤔. So is that a made up number by you or can you provide evidence of that also.

Where did I mention anything about needing more births to support the older generations, I didn't mention that at all, but just seems yet another thread where you play the immigration card being at fault for everything in the UK. Also was you who brought up overpopulation originally and births being the reason for it alone and the underlying issues the planet faces. I merely pointed out using UK as one example and that if you equate that the world over more people living longer is equally a problem for over population as is the birth rate.

Or is the whole world dying because of immigrants as well. The worlds over population issue isn't down to births or deaths alone, its down to a combined factor of both, as people are born they're also are as many living longer the world over. So rather than fosucing on one point alone my point was be fair and just but boring the issue is a 2 headed coin. But you bring it back down to immigration again..
 
robinthehood said:
You're not listening, everything is the fault of immigrants.
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No, its the fault of governments not applying an immigration system that works on the countries requirements and not open doors, its also governments fault for encouraging familes to have more children than they and the country can support. The immigrants cannot be blamed for looking to improve their lot.
 
SocketRocket said:
No, its the fault of governments not applying an immigration system that works on the countries requirements and not open doors, its also governments fault for encouraging familes to have more children than they and the country can support. The immigrants cannot be blamed for looking to improve their lot.
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So still a Us v Them mentality....
.. is that how you would want British settlers (sorry retirees) feel when they move to Spain
 
Mudball said:
So still a Us v Them mentality....
.. is that how you would want British settlers (sorry retirees) feel when they move to Spain
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Did you read my post, I said immigrants cannot be blamed.

Many British migrants to Spain are older and do not take payments from the Spanish state. If very large numbers of British young people migrated to Spain and benefited from their Social Security system whilst having more children than the average Spanish Family I would imagine their Government and people wouldn't be too chuffed. IMO of course.
 
SocketRocket said:
Did you read my post, I said immigrants cannot be blamed.

Many British migrants to Spain are older and do not take payments from the Spanish state. If very large numbers of British young people migrated to Spain and benefited from their Social Security system whilst having more children than the average Spanish Family I would imagine their Government and people wouldn't be too chuffed. IMO of course.
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Does free medical care count towards benefit?
 
Mudball said:
So as part of Brexit we should end NHS reciprocal cover... shall we call it collateral damage..
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I don't think so, we just need to ensure we are paid fully for the treatment the NHS gives or more to the point there is a balancing payment made either way.
 
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