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Withouth making this a Brexit issue, is there a general rise intolerance among people? Just after we voted leave, there was a reported surge in hate crime, but then it kind of quietened down. Earlier today, someone from India pinged me about this because a report of an arson attack on a Indian family's home http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/65862688.cms The story has been widely reported in the Indian media today but hardly made any news in the local news here.

Any incident like this (hate or otherwise) is unfortunate, but do is there a growing underlying intolerance brewing??
 
I think for a lot of low-life scum, the Brexit vote strengthened their belief that we all hate foreigners, unfortunately, hence they were emboldened in the aftermath of it. People like that Tommy Robinson prat and his pals jumped on the Brexit buzz to push themselves further into the public eye as well.

Another root cause is rags like the Sun and Daily Mail. Usually making out that all of our everyday problems are caused by immigrants.
 
It probably wasn't reported here because there are just over 3,000 arson attacks on houses and just over 11,000 on cars each year. Given no one was harmed, it's not that unusual an event sadly.

The hate part of it is more complex, as it's hard to tell if the race of the perpetrators and victim were the motive for the attack, or just happened to be what they are, and he was attacked randomly or for some aspect of his behaviour that is not mentioned. This is made worse by it being a sensitive and emotive subject.
 
Whilst I do think as a society we are becoming less tolerant and more insular in our own lives, I find it a bit ironic to see articles from another countries press ( in this case India) about 1 house being torched because of a person whos native from Ithat country (India) but that same press overlook the ritual abuse of single women in that same country.
 
I agree there is a general, and growing, lack of tolerance. However, there's been quite a bit of work in understanding the root causes of racially motivated hate crimes. What has come as a surprise is that a significant number of crimes reported as hate crimes actually aren't. For example, there was an horrific (gang) attack on a Polish guy reported as a hate crime. When some of the gang were caught it turned out they had just attacked a guy - they didn't know his nationality.

And then there's the media. Almost every headline in the vast majority of papers is exaggerated. Using terms like the UK will "crash" out of the EU... why use "crash?" Its too emotive and creates confrontation between both sides of the debate. One side sees it as armageddon, becomes intolerant of what they see as obvious stupidity, and the other side gets aggressively defensive.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Whilst I do think as a society we are becoming less tolerant and more insular in our own lives, I find it a bit ironic to see articles from another countries press ( in this case India) about 1 house being torched because of a person whos native from Ithat country (India) but that same press overlook the ritual abuse of single women in that same country.
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To be fair they will do that. I am assuming the local news there reports the abuse there. Its no different to the BBC reporting some unfortunate event of Briton getting hurt on a slide while on holiday in Benidorm..

To some of the other posts, I agree hate crime is difficult to assess, but easy to blame.
 
I think these days people are a lot more street smart.... They know how to express displeasure a lot more easily, how to get attention and how to jump on a bandwagon and get away with it.

As for the Tommy Robinson mention... 2-3 years and that man will have a lot of power. He's riding a crest of a wave that a lot of people are behind and ignoring him will only bring the same shocks as those that thought the Brexit vote would never happen . Don't bury your head in the sand and hope it'll go away.
 
Intolerance rises from lack of interaction... Seems we all heading towards living in our own little worlds...
Say good morning to many, from the younger generation, and they appear offended that an outsider has tried to break into their space...
 
MegaSteve said:
Intolerance rises from lack of interaction... Seems we all heading towards living in our own little worlds...
Say good morning to many, from the younger generation, and they appear offended that an outsider has tried to break into their space...
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Sadly that's happening everywhere now? Being polite to commuters is a wasted cause. Most just look as though your simple and head back down into their phones. Even trying to exchange pleasantries in shops is becoming an issue and the staff seem reluctant to give a "good morning" back.
 
Its complex.

Unfortunately IMO the role models of the present day seem to demonstrate a lack of respect. Often the 'rich' kids portrayed on TV, social media etc have not acheived their money by merit. Many are talented but the wages paid to DJs, presenters, a few sports 'stars' distorts the real world and raised unreal expectations. These expectations are rarely met and this breeds dissatisfaction and frustation. The jealously build a lack of respect for anything remotely representing authority which is blamed as barriers.

We wont even need to consider how the drugs business brings easy money to those who walk that side of the line with impunity when the solved crime rate is only 4%.
 
Orikoru said:
I think for a lot of low-life scum, the Brexit vote strengthened their belief that we all hate foreigners, unfortunately, hence they were emboldened in the aftermath of it. People like that Tommy Robinson prat and his pals jumped on the Brexit buzz to push themselves further into the public eye as well.

Another root cause is rags like the Sun and Daily Mail. Usually making out that all of our everyday problems are caused by immigrants.
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Not a very balanced view. Do you not think that intolerance can be a little more widespread than the thicko brexit voters who Hate all foreigners. Just take a look at the labour party and into some of the immigrant communities themselves to find some of the worse examples of racism and intolerance of people who do not conform to their own views. I am not saying g you are incorrect in some of those views but they are biased, narrow and rather lazy.
 
SocketRocket said:
Not a very balanced view. Do you not think that intolerance can be a little more widespread than the thicko brexit voters who Hate all foreigners. Just take a look at the labour party and into some of the immigrant communities themselves to find some of the worse examples of racism and intolerance of people who do not conform to their own views. I am not saying g you are incorrect in some of those views but they are biased, narrow and rather lazy.
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I didn't say it was the whole cause. Racism was around before Brexit. I just said a lot of people who were perhaps more guarded beforehand, saw Brexit as a cue to air their intolerance more openly, because they thought it gave credence to their views. The rise of intolerance has definitely been noticeable since Brexit, as it simply brought it to the surface.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Sadly that's happening everywhere now? Being polite to commuters is a wasted cause. Most just look as though your simple and head back down into their phones. Even trying to exchange pleasantries in shops is becoming an issue and the staff seem reluctant to give a "good morning" back.
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Nonsense. You're just getting older and more cynical.

There have always been rude people. It's not getting any worse
 
woody69 said:
Nonsense. You're just getting older and more cynical.

There have always been rude people. It's not getting any worse
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Quite right.
Mind you I would imagine it depends on where you live.

I have found my local young folk to be generally pleasant and friendly.....as are the adults.
A few are not... but that is not age related.
 
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