French elections, enlighten me

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So as I see it, the next president is a guy who started his own party a couple of years ago and has never been elected before.
The voters in France voted for him because A, some liked him. B, some did not like Le Pen, and he was the only alternative.
Some voters were not happy with either of the two choices.
So is French politics about as torn as The UK politics. Some will vote for TM coz they don't want Corbyn.
What happened to the usual established French political parties.
What happened in France ?
 
People were fed up with the established parties, Macron came forward as an alternative. He got momentum, very similar to Trump in that sense. The beauty of the presidential system for a candidate is that you don't need lots of MP's who may or may not be up to it and embarrass the party, i.e.UKIP. You only need one charismatic person.

He then got lucky because instead of being against an established party candidate he came against le Pen. Even anti Macron people preferred him rather than le Pen. The dice rolled kindly for him.

The interesting thing is can he get anything through because I don't think his party has many, if any mp's.
 
Tashyboy said:
So as I see it, the next president is a guy who started his own party a couple of years ago and has never been elected before.
The voters in France voted for him because A, some liked him. B, some did not like Le Pen, and he was the only alternative.
Some voters were not happy with either of the two choices.
So is French politics about as torn as The UK politics. Some will vote for TM coz they don't want Corbyn.
What happened to the usual established French political parties.
What happened in France ?
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They had other choices. Macron and le pen were the leading candidates from the first round of voting.
 
the nature of the French system could always throw up an anomaly like this

The first round was pretty even between 4 candidates

Macron 24.01%
Le Pen 21.30%
Fillon 20.01%
Melenchon 19.58%

The top 2 go through to the run off

So it is easy to see that nearly 40% of voters suddenly have to change from one of the main parties , to either Macron or Le Pen for the run off

Also fair to say that many would have voted Macron, to stop Le Pen getting into power, not because they particularly identify with Macron

interesting point from the run off, nearly 11.5% of votes cast were either spoilt or blank, over 4 million voters who protested and didnt want either candidate
a further 25% of voters didnt show up

So out of 47,568,588 voters, Macron won with 20,753,798 votes or 43% of the electorate The spoilt and no shows counted for 34%

There are a lot of unhappy French voters out there, not sure its going to be a walk in the park
 
In fact, very pro EU. As was pointed out on a different thread he came out to the crowds following his election to the EU anthem, not the French national anthem. There will be no Frexiting happening soon.
 
Macron, EU funded and heavily supported.

Le Pen's father was rather unsavory. How much of this can be levelled at her isn't clear, but BBC prefixed her name with "Far Right" on every mention. Macron was similarly prefixed with "Centrist" although Lefty Federalist is more appropriate. So, Merkel is now effectively running France without needing to lift a hand!
 
Well having read this thread, up to yet I am being enlightened. Seems he does not have a great deal of support but won the election. Will be interesting to watch what goes off in France over the next few years.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
In fact, very pro EU. As was pointed out on a different thread he came out to the crowds following his election to the EU anthem, not the French national anthem. There will be no Frexiting happening soon.
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Heard quite a number of Leaver folks evidently disappointed that Le Pen did not win the election and that France has a pro-EU president. But they seem confident that the President after Macron will be anti-EU and will take France out of the EU - and the EU will collapse. And they view that prospect gleefully.

But why? Surely to God a collapsed EU would cause chaos and that chaos would seriously impact the UK - even a Brexitted UK - both economically and in respect of security. And a collapsed EU with individual countries fighting their own nationalist corners for economic deals, border disputes, trade tariffs etc - that is surely the perfect recipe for European instability and conflict (even possibly conflict of a military nature - we must not forget the Balkans)

Some Leaver folks are mad as well as stupid.
 
We could always just go back to the original EU ideal, a free trade area. Insisting on closer political ties is something that has crept up on everyone and to my eyes most of it is unnecessary. There would be no chaos if the countries agreed to free trade between each other and dump the rest. (Okay there would be chaos in the Brussels housing market as prices collapsed but nowhere else)
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Heard quite a number of Leaver folks evidently disappointed that Le Pen did not win the election and that France has a pro-EU president. But they seem confident that the President after Macron will be anti-EU and will take France out of the EU - and the EU will collapse. And they view that prospect gleefully.

But why? Surely to God a collapsed EU would cause chaos and that chaos would seriously impact the UK - even a Brexitted UK - both economically and in respect of security. And a collapsed EU with individual countries fighting their own nationalist corners for economic deals, border disputes, trade tariffs etc - that is surely the perfect recipe for European instability and conflict (even possibly conflict of a military nature - we must not forget the Balkans)

Some Leaver folks are mad as well as stupid.
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Because theres not some remainers wanting the UK to crash after Brexit either?

mad and stupid folk of all types!
 
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