FAO Mike: Do a shaftoid feature PLEASE!!!

Alex1975 said:
I think this post makes a case for its self. Lots of misinformation and speculation....

LMAO at the Mark Crossfield told me so, so its fact...

Also... how do you think a shaft is going to help your dispersion? Maybe maybe the shaft torque... maybe the weight(as you might swing it a little straighter maybe!) but dispersion is kinda down to you!
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That is the main thing we see hoe here after people get fitted. they ALWAYS say the dispersion was tighter with a certain shaft. Oh and it happened to be the longest too.

No one ever says. I gave up 7 yards but the dispersion was as tight as a ducks arse.
 
garyinderry said:
That is the main thing we see hoe here after people get fitted. they ALWAYS say the dispersion was tighter with a certain shaft. Oh and it happened to be the longest too.

No one ever says. I gave up 7 yards but the dispersion was as tight as a ducks arse.
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Hehe, I know, I get it, we like to tell a story though after out fittings don't we.... There is a lot at play in a fitting though hu... I would argue you would get better at hitting a spot on the range the longer you tried so the later part of the fitting before one gets tired the tighter dispersion might get?!

Face and path are what deal with dispersion and then strike (face roll/gear effect). I guess AoA is worth a mention too.
 
garyinderry said:
That is the main thing we see hoe here after people get fitted. they ALWAYS say the dispersion was tighter with a certain shaft. Oh and it happened to be the longest too.

No one ever says. I gave up 7 yards but the dispersion was as tight as a ducks arse.
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I did.

Moving from the Graphite Design (Tour AD YSQ65) to the Project X (PXv Tour 52).

Distance is broadly the same, launch is definitely higher, peak height is much higher.

The main difference is I get less of a push with the PX over the GD. The ball starts a little straighter (Still right of target) before drawing back.
 
I think this would be a great feature. I'd read it ahead of the instructional section.
 
Alex1975 said:
How do you mean?.... surly some photos and a short description of the photos ("tips") are the best way to learn golf? :D
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Not for me.
Everyone has a slightly different swing and technique, so how can there be one thing for everyone?
I read them, but with a pinch of salt.
 
Here is my take on the shaft issue.

Obviously it helps to have a consistent, reproducible swing, but shafts matter. And they probably matter more to the amateur golfer than the pro. I have watched Michael Campbell hit his driver with an X flex shaft and a L flex shaft, and he hit them both the same. That is because he can adjust his tEmpo to match. But give a 15 handicapper with a 85mph driver speed a X flex shaft and he won't be able to flight it. He may hot a R flex shaft decently and will probably be less accurate with an L flex. That is because he doesn't have the strength or swing speed to get the X back to the ball, and doesn't have the tempo adjustability to work with the L.

In the olden days, all shafts were steel (no, really, ask your Dad) and weight and flex were correlated., so you could talk about flex when you really meant weight and that was OK. Nowadays, with many many graphite and steel shafts with different flex profiles, the two have become separated a bit more, and some gurus would consider weight more important. Still, give a middle handicapper a club they can't get back to the ball and they won't be able to hit it. Some shaft brands are frequency matched. This means they have the same freqquency of vibration when clapmped and sprung. Other brands (TT DG and PX, for example) are weight sorted. They are basically made, measured and then classified into flex bands according to the weight. So not even really about flex at all.

Crossfield peddles this line that flex isn't really important. I assume he follows that up when he does his fittings by giving everyone the same flex. That would be easier for his stock inventory, if nothing else. But what Crossfield really showed, in my opinion, is not that flex isn't important, but that a good player can accommodate better to different flexes. The two are not the same at all.

Flex profile is also an issue, although more to do with feel. TT DG S300 tend to have a softish butt and a stiff tip. PX are the opposite. Hand feel is a lot to do with butt stiffness, so PX feel harsh to some players and TT DG feel better. In reality the flex (in terms of frequency) is similar between TT DG S300 and PX 5.5, but the feel is different. Does that make a difference? To some people, probably.

Finally, because of weight differences, different flex profiles and other differences, the stated flex on a shaft band is almost meaningless. You should be looking for the shaft which works best for you and not caring whether it says the flex rating you think it should, or whether your bag contains several different flexes in different parts of the set.
 
Bratty said:
Not for me.
Everyone has a slightly different swing and technique, so how can there be one thing for everyone?
I read them, but with a pinch of salt.
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I was kidding, its guff. Tips are not a thing.. teaching via photos or even video is rot.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
That's how I learnt to play th game -articles
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Oh ye? hehe... To cover this and your "will knowing more about the golf swing help"... I have been told by a member of your family (cant remember if its your cousin or uncle) that your one of those annoying people who are natural sportsmen. As I recall you play/ed cricket and still play a lot of squash? The conversation was a while ago so cant fully remember. Either way, your not a learner your a get on a do-er.

Guessing you were pulling my leg though?
 
Alex1975 said:
Oh ye? hehe... To cover this and your "will knowing more about the golf swing help"... I have been told by a member of your family (cant remember if its your cousin or uncle) that your one of those annoying people who are natural sportsmen. As I recall you play/ed cricket and still play a lot of squash? The conversation was a while ago so cant fully remember. Either way, your not a learner your a get on a do-er.

Guessing you were pulling my leg though?
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:D

Had to stop squash but cricket and hockey yeah - qualified coach at both as well

When j started playing golf i could hit a good ball but short game and driving was poor so just read a few articles and tried a few things and copied a few people and just seemed to get better quicker

Tony is my uncle ( well wife's uncle ) and hates that we are both naturally good at sport :D
 
Ethan said:
Here is my take on the shaft issue.

Obviously it helps to have a consistent, reproducible swing, but shafts matter. And they probably matter more to the amateur golfer than the pro. I have watched Michael Campbell hit his driver with an X flex shaft and a L flex shaft, and he hit them both the same. That is because he can adjust his tEmpo to match. But give a 15 handicapper with a 85mph driver speed a X flex shaft and he won't be able to flight it. He may hot a R flex shaft decently and will probably be less accurate with an L flex. That is because he doesn't have the strength or swing speed to get the X back to the ball, and doesn't have the tempo adjustability to work with the L.

In the olden days, all shafts were steel (no, really, ask your Dad) and weight and flex were correlated., so you could talk about flex when you really meant weight and that was OK. Nowadays, with many many graphite and steel shafts with different flex profiles, the two have become separated a bit more, and some gurus would consider weight more important. Still, give a middle handicapper a club they can't get back to the ball and they won't be able to hit it. Some shaft brands are frequency matched. This means they have the same freqquency of vibration when clapmped and sprung. Other brands (TT DG and PX, for example) are weight sorted. They are basically made, measured and then classified into flex bands according to the weight. So not even really about flex at all.

Crossfield peddles this line that flex isn't really important. I assume he follows that up when he does his fittings by giving everyone the same flex. That would be easier for his stock inventory, if nothing else. But what Crossfield really showed, in my opinion, is not that flex isn't important, but that a good player can accommodate better to different flexes. The two are not the same at all.

Flex profile is also an issue, although more to do with feel. TT DG S300 tend to have a softish butt and a stiff tip. PX are the opposite. Hand feel is a lot to do with butt stiffness, so PX feel harsh to some players and TT DG feel better. In reality the flex (in terms of frequency) is similar between TT DG S300 and PX 5.5, but the feel is different. Does that make a difference? To some people, probably.

Finally, because of weight differences, different flex profiles and other differences, the stated flex on a shaft band is almost meaningless. You should be looking for the shaft which works best for you and not caring whether it says the flex rating you think it should, or whether your bag contains several different flexes in different parts of the set.
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Excellent and informed post. Those who think flex shaft doesn't matter, pick up a kids driver with uber soft shafts and hit it.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
:D

Had to stop squash but cricket and hockey yeah - qualified coach at both as well

When j started playing golf i could hit a good ball but short game and driving was poor so just read a few articles and tried a few things and copied a few people and just seemed to get better quicker

Tony is my uncle ( well wife's uncle ) and hates that we are both naturally good at sport :D
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Yep, in the nicest possible way he was kinda talking about you wile kinda metaphorically spitting on the ground....
 
Alex1975 said:
Yep, in the nicest possible way he was kinda talking about you wile kinda metaphorically spitting on the ground....
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:D

We have a return grudge match coming up with him Mark and my wife's sister other half - we stuffed them last time

Tony for someone who doesn't hit a long ball maintains a cracking HC
 
Hes a member at my place isn't he? Whats his handicap? Can he compete with you? Although our place is 6620 Yards it often does not play as long as that... I would not say you NEED to be long their.
 
virtuocity said:
It's this cynicism that led to my OP. I have yet to see anyone PROPERLY control a fitting session to test the effects of different shafts. Funny that.
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I'm going to put MY cynical hat on here and ask...

How many proper Fitters and Fitting sessions - that deal with different shafts - have you actually observed?

Btw. Your cynicsm is justified to a degree imo. But that applies to the whole of Golf Hardware Marketing! :whistle:
 
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Foxholer said:
I'm going to put MY cynical hat on here and ask...

How many proper Fitters and Fitting sessions - that deal with different shafts - have you actually observed?

Btw. Your cynicsm is justified to a degree imo. But that applies to the whole of Golf Hardware Marketing! :whistle:
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When i was fitted for my irons, i tried i think 9 shafts all with the same head. The winner was obvious from feel and the stats backed that up. (Winner was KBS Tour Stiff BTW)
 
Rooter said:
When i was fitted for my irons, i tried i think 9 shafts all with the same head. The winner was obvious from feel and the stats backed that up. (Winner was KBS Tour Stiff BTW)
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Not sure why you quoted me for this post! I was querying/challenging the OP's experience of Fitters/Fitting Sessions, not shafts themselves.

Your results are not altogether surprising and are what should be hoped for! Unfortunately, results aren't always that cut & dried and there's often a compromise decision required and I'd now opt for better feel over (marginally) better performance - though that's just me!
 
Foxholer said:
Not sure why you quoted me for this post! I was querying/challenging the OP's experience of Fitters/Fitting Sessions, not shafts themselves.

Your results are not altogether surprising and are what should be hoped for! Unfortunately, results aren't always that cut & dried and there's often a compromise decision required and I'd now opt for better feel over (marginally) better performance - though that's just me!
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Quoted you as you asked: "How many proper Fitters and Fitting sessions - that deal with different shafts - have you actually observed?"

Thought it was an open question! anyhoo...
 
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