FAO Mike: Do a shaftoid feature PLEASE!!!

virtuocity said:
No, the basic point I was making (although educating golfers IS important) is that I wanted to put shafts to the test from an amateur perspective. Take this example:

23 handicapper (sorry to pick on Cat 4s) goes for a fitting (like golfers are 'supposed' to), gets a nice pro behind him/her with his/her £10,000 trackman exclaiming, "Yup, that's the shot!", "Oh yeah, keep 'em there" etc and then uses the data to inform him/her as to whether to purchase the brand new Callaways (or other brand) with the £100 worth of shaft upgrades.

Why wouldn't he/she spend £800? The pro has shown the golfer that their dispersion has tightened by 10 yards with the 7 iron they were hitting compared to their old, say, Ping G15s. They are now flying 15 yards further as well! Happy days! During the testing they thought they'd found the right shaft (stiff, stock, which gave same distance gains but no improvement on dispersion) but after trying the Super Dooper Flash Bomb Mega Stick shafts (£100 up charge), they got the dispersion tightened as well.

So, it looks like the upgraded shafts are worth the extra cash, right? Distance gains and dispersion MUST be due to the shaft in the above example, yeah? Put your cynical head on and I bet you could list two dozen other factors to explain these results.

It's this cynicism that led to my OP. I have yet to see anyone PROPERLY control a fitting session to test the effects of different shafts. Funny that.
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Upgrading shafts for a 23 handicapper is a utter waste of time as where you strike it on the head of the club makes so much more difference. I think Crossfield explains it very well in this and other videos

[video=youtube_share;N5Z5I8y-uQs]https://youtu.be/N5Z5I8y-uQs[/video]
 
Hacker Khan said:
Upgrading shafts for a 23 handicapper is a utter waste of time as where you strike it on the head of the club makes so much more difference. I think Crossfield explains it very well in this and other videos

[video=youtube_share;N5Z5I8y-uQs]https://youtu.be/N5Z5I8y-uQs[/video]
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The only thing crossfield has proper knowledge of is his ego.
 
virtuocity said:
No, the basic point I was making (although educating golfers IS important) is that I wanted to put shafts to the test from an amateur perspective. Take this example:

23 handicapper (sorry to pick on Cat 4s) goes for a fitting (like golfers are 'supposed' to), gets a nice pro behind him/her with his/her £10,000 trackman exclaiming, "Yup, that's the shot!", "Oh yeah, keep 'em there" etc and then uses the data to inform him/her as to whether to purchase the brand new Callaways (or other brand) with the £100 worth of shaft upgrades.

Why wouldn't he/she spend £800? The pro has shown the golfer that their dispersion has tightened by 10 yards with the 7 iron they were hitting compared to their old, say, Ping G15s. They are now flying 15 yards further as well! Happy days! During the testing they thought they'd found the right shaft (stiff, stock, which gave same distance gains but no improvement on dispersion) but after trying the Super Dooper Flash Bomb Mega Stick shafts (£100 up charge), they got the dispersion tightened as well.

So, it looks like the upgraded shafts are worth the extra cash, right? Distance gains and dispersion MUST be due to the shaft in the above example, yeah? Put your cynical head on and I bet you could list two dozen other factors to explain these results.

It's this cynicism that led to my OP. I have yet to see anyone PROPERLY control a fitting session to test the effects of different shafts. Funny that.
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You need to visit a proper club fitter then, not some average Joe from American Golf. These guys are told what numbers to look for and they fit to that. Serious lack of feel involved. A proper fitter/builder will not do that
 
MendieGK said:
You need to visit a proper club fitter then, not some average Joe from American Golf. These guys are told what numbers to look for and they fit to that. Serious lack of feel involved. A proper fitter/builder will not do that
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So there's another variable added to the list- being a 'proper fitter' (what does this even mean? It's so subjective and cannot be controlled. The 'proper fitter' may have been on an all night bender previous to the fitting, or just ran over a dog on the way to work!).

Here's a few more variables:

-Pro (rightly) offers swing advice to the player during the fitting which he/she adheres to.
-Pro gives player a new iron head with jacked lofts
-"Oh you need an extra inch added to those"
-Commission rates per product / need to sell
-Not measuring strike
-Inconsistency of golfer / physical conditions (cold, hungover, tired, injured, hot, strong, alert, crap at golf, bad patch, hot streak)
 
MendieGK said:
The only thing crossfield has proper knowledge of is his ego.
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In a way I agree that he has a big ego. But are you questioning his conclusions saying he is wrong here? Or is it just more of a comment on his personality? As sometimes ********s (not that I am specifically saying he is an ********) can speak sense some times.
 
Hacker Khan said:
In a way I agree that he has a big ego. But are you questioning his conclusions saying he is wrong here? Or is it just more of a comment on his personality? As sometimes ********s (not that I am specifically saying he is an ********) can speak sense some times.
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And I can't believe the word I used was automatically asterisked out, even my 9 year old says that.:eek: Oh well, you'll have to guess what I said, but as a clue you will hear worse on Eastenders.;)
 
virtuocity said:
More confusion.
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I like the way your thinking Virtuocity and I am also fairly cynical when it comes to customs fittings.

The main reason being my own inconsistency as a golfer, how am I going to be hitting it on the day of the fitting. I know from day to day my striking varies greatly, sometimes my driving is on, somedays its way off.

I do like Mark Crossfields video on shaft flex. He is a consistent ball striker, so its should give better/truer results than us choppers.
 
Keeno said:
I like the way your thinking Virtuocity and I am also fairly cynical when it comes to customs fittings.

The main reason being my own inconsistency as a golfer, how am I going to be hitting it on the day of the fitting. I know from day to day my striking varies greatly, sometimes my driving is on, somedays its way off.

I do like Mark Crossfields video on shaft flex. He is a consistent ball striker, so its should give better/truer results than us choppers.
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But the correct shaft will help improve your ball striking!! Crossfield is a coach, he is not a club fitter! They are wildly different.

Yes he will have some knowledge of a fitting I'm not disputing that but he is by no means an expert.

The golf shaft is so much more than stiffness.
 
Surely you could use that hmr2 or whatever it is called that records strike location on the face. Increase your results with toe heel and middle strikes.
 
virtuocity said:
Not talking about the correct club. We're talking about shafts.

Will the correct shaft improve my strike?
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I meant shaft.

Of course is will. If you were given an XXX shaft you simply would not deliver the club back to the correct position. Your smash factor (which is the best measurement of strike as it measures efficiency of swing) would be low.

Also 'strike' is a largely pointless word, I'm sure plenty of times you 'strike' the ball great but the club face isn't delivered square.

I can't see why you're such a cynic about it all. All the experts are out there trying to sell you custom fit.

Mizuno do all shaft upgrades for free at the moment so they're not trying to convince you to buy an upgrade.
 
virtuocity said:
Not to the majority of golfers it's not. All the more reason for a feature like this to change the way golfers think about club purchasing.
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I'm talking about facts, not a golfers perception. A stiff shaft is simply not a stiff.

I used to have PX6.5 shafts, they span way too much for me. I now have exactly the same head and get a much lower flight
 
I'd like to add I 100% think a feature like this would be a great idea.

However I'd rather they used an Independent club fitter rather than a major brand
 
MendieGK said:
But the correct shaft will help improve your ball striking!! Crossfield is a coach, he is not a club fitter! They are wildly different.

Yes he will have some knowledge of a fitting I'm not disputing that but he is by no means an expert.

The golf shaft is so much more than stiffness.
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I would say a correct swing would improve your ball striking. Not the shaft

A correct shaft would improve the results if you have a consistent swing path and speed.
 
I think this post makes a case for its self. Lots of misinformation and speculation....

LMAO at the Mark Crossfield told me so, so its fact...

Also... how do you think a shaft is going to help your dispersion? Maybe maybe the shaft torque... maybe the weight(as you might swing it a little straighter maybe!) but dispersion is kinda down to you!
 
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