Fading GUR white lines?

[delc]

The local rules at our club state that relief must be taken from areas of GUR marked by a continuous white line or a fully roped off area. Problem is, as the white lines fade, when do they cease to be GUR? This happened several times in our round this morning, when there were some obviously freshly marked white lines, but also some that had faded, but still continuous. If in doubt we assumed they were still GUR and took a drop.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If the white line is there faded or new then it's GUR

It ceases to be GUR when the line and letters "GUR" is no longer there

It seems you knew the answer already ?

 

[delc]

If the white line is there faded or new then it's GUR

It ceases to be GUR when the line and letters "GUR" is no longer there

It seems you knew the answer already ?

The letters GUR were also marked in faded white paint and still there! They will probably remain until the grass grows out and is cut.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The letters GUR were also marked in faded white paint and still there! They will probably remain until the grass grows out and is cut.

So it's still GUR then - it's that simple is it not

 

[delc]

So it's still GUR then - it's that simple is it not

So what happens as the lines fade or grow out, and cease to be continuous? Can we assume from that point that they are no longer marking area of GUR? Remember that taking relief from GUR is mandatory at our club.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So what happens as the lines fade or grow out, and cease to be continuous? Can we assume from that point that they are no longer marking area of GUR? Remember that taking relief from GUR is mandatory at our club.

If you can see the GUR and the white line then it's GUR

Or how about doing something revolutionary - ask the greenstaff

 

[Foxholer]

If the white line is there faded or new then it's GUR

It ceases to be GUR when the line and letters "GUR" is no longer there

...

Or the 'GUR' is crossed out (with paint)! Or written in and crossed out if not already present..

 

[delc]

Or the 'GUR' is crossed out (with paint)! Or written in and crossed out if not already present..

Some courses I have played have GUR notices which they stick into the ground, and remove them when an area ceases to be GUR. Our club doesn't do that though!

 

[Smiffy]

Some courses I have played have GUR notices which they stick into the ground, and remove them when an area ceases to be GUR. Our club doesn't do that though!

If brains were chocolate, some people wouldn't have enough to fill a Smartie

 

[Smiffy]

The writing on my Callaway Supersoft is wearing away.
When does it cease to be a Callaway????

 

[HawkeyeMS]

The local rules at our club state that relief must be taken from areas of GUR marked by a continuous white line or a fully roped off area. Problem is, as the white lines fade, when do they cease to be GUR? This happened several times in our round this morning, when there were some obviously freshly marked white lines, but also some that had faded, but still continuous. If in doubt we assumed they were still GUR and took a drop.

Why did you have to assume anything? The line was there, continuous and visible.

 

[Colin L]

Del, you are making something out of nothing. The line is either visible or not visible. Yours was visible. When a line becomes so faded and broken up that you cannot determine the margin of the GUR, only then do you have a problem.

By the way, you can’t make anything out of there being no GUR lettering in the area.

 

[drdel]

I think Delc has a fair (lighthearted) discussion point and it might be reasonably raised with the green-keepers/Pro-shop - this would mean it had to be known in advance of the round/competition.

A individual 'faded' GUR boundary may have been left not re-painted because it is no longer applicable and is being allowed to grow out. This then raises the issue as to what degree of 'fade' is relevant or ignorable.

 

[delc]

I think Delc has a fair (lighthearted) discussion point and it might be reasonably raised with the green-keepers/Pro-shop - this would mean it had to be known in advance of the round/competition.

A individual 'faded' GUR boundary may have been left not re-painted because it is no longer applicable and is being allowed to grow out. This then raises the issue as to what degree of 'fade' is relevant or ignorable.

I have raised this issue with our club manager. If relief from GUR was optional it wouldn't be a problem, but because our local rule states that you 'must' take relief from marked GUR, then it is!

 

[drdel]

Agreed.

 

[Colin L]

Assuming GUR is defined in the local rules as being marked by a continuous white line, you cannot leave players to apply some subjective notion of the degree of fade and second guess that a particular area is no longer meant to be GUR. You need to make it clear in some other way, by painting out, scraping out or with a sign for example.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

Quite often the problem is it's not "ground under repair" it's just an area that's damaged or worn out and it's easier to white line it rather than fix it probably. We have this problem a lot on entrance / exits to bridges over ditches where buggies and general wear and tear leave fairly large areas of damage and they never get repaired.

 

[Colin L]

Quite often the problem is it's not "ground under repair" it's just an area that's damaged or worn out and it's easier to white line it rather than fix it probably. We have this problem a lot on entrance / exits to bridges over ditches where buggies and general wear and tear leave fairly large areas of damage and they never get repaired.

I’m not sure what “problem” you are seeing. Areas such as you mention will be marked GUR because they are in an abnormal state, i.e. it would be unreasonable to expect a player to play from them. Whether there is any intention to repair them is not relevant.

 

[delc]

Assuming GUR is defined in the local rules as being marked by a continuous white line, you cannot leave players to apply some subjective notion of the degree of fade and second guess that a particular area is no longer meant to be GUR. You need to make it clear in some other way, by painting out, scraping out or with a sign for example.

Would a notice on the clubhouse notice board stating that the marked area of GUR on fairway X no longer applies suffice?

 

[Old Colner]

I can't see what the problem is, if you see a continuous white line it's GUR if the white line isn't continuous then it is no longer GUR the line may have faded or the grass been cut, if it was still GUR surely the ground staff will repaint the lines.