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Mmmmm. Looking at those pictures, I didn't watch the race, the pink car is holding its line. The other car cuts into it.

The pink car looks far enough up the inside for the other car to know it is there and for the other car to know the outcome of cutting across at that moment. Had the pink car been further back then it would be a different story.

I'm only going off those pictures.
 
ger147 said:
The pink car drove into the blue car, the end...
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In the top pic, Ocon is 2 feet from the white line
In the 2nd pic, Ocon's tyre is on the white line
In the 3rd pic, Ocon's tyre is 2 feet right of the white line

Ocon was moving to the right to try and avoid Max.


In the top pic, Max is 10 feet from the white line
In the 2nd pic, Max is 4 ft from the white line
In the 3rd pic Max's tyre is on the white line

How do you see Ocon driving into Max when he was moving right?
 
Instead of looking at pictures, which only show a single moment in time, watch the incident itself (and the aftermath).

 
bobmac said:
In the top pic, Ocon is 2 feet from the white line
In the 2nd pic, Ocon's tyre is on the white line
In the 3rd pic, Ocon's tyre is 2 feet right of the white line

Ocon was moving to the right to try and avoid Max.


In the top pic, Max is 10 feet from the white line
In the 2nd pic, Max is 4 ft from the white line
In the 3rd pic Max's tyre is on the white line

How do you see Ocon driving into Max when he was moving right?
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My opinion concurs with that of the race stewards. Here is their official statemet:

Official verdict: 'The driver of Car 31 (Esteban Ocon) was a lapped car. The Stewards noted that he had new Super Soft tyres. Ocon attempted a pass on the leader, Car 33 (Max Verstappen) to un-lap himself at the outside of turn one. The Stewards determined that he failed to complete the pass at turn one, and as a lapped car, fought the leader for track position, causing the collision at turn 2 with the race leader.'

Open and shut case...

Could Max have avoided the collision? Of course he could have, as I pointed out above (see my earlier posts in the thread). But he did not cause the collision, Ocon did. Ocon was driving towards a space that was not going to be there when he arrived i.e. the apex of the corner. Verstappen took the normal racing line thru turn 2 and Ocon drove into the side of Verstappen.
 
ger147 said:
Could Max have avoided the collision? Of course he could have, as I pointed out above (see my earlier posts in the thread). But he did not cause the collision, Ocon did.
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So Max could have avoided the collision but chose not to. Ocon did try to avoid the collision by moving right but had nowhere to go.
 
bobmac said:
So Max could have avoided the collision but chose not to. Ocon did try to avoid the collision by moving right but had nowhere to go.
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Ocon could also have avoided the collision by backing out of his failed overtaking manoeuvre but instead chose to drive into the side of Verstappen's car on the apex of T2, hence causing the collision and being correctly penalised by the stewards. Verstappen could have avoided the collision by not fighting Ocon in T1 and allowing him to go past. Both of them drove like a pair of eejits and arguably Verstappen was the bigger eejit as he had a lot more to lose, BUT Ocon could also have avoided causing the collision, he did have another option but chose to cause the collision rather than back off.
 
From video and stills seemed to me like Ocon went for the pass on the earlier corner (not sure why when you've been lapped) nearly got by but Verstappen defended and got to the next corner slightly ahead but not far enough ahead to cut across Ocon like that. Not sure what Ocon could do other than slam the brakes to avoid a collision as he's nowhere to go, no room to evade on his right hand side. Was he supposed to concede position and drop back earlier, is that the correct etiquette? - that's not really racing though.
Verstappen should have stayed wider imo to allow both cars some room on the bend, chose not to so paid for it with a needless loss.
Surprised the stewards penalised Ocon tbh, even if you're way back in a race you can still compete, no?

Would a conspiracy theorist suggest Hamilton/Mercedes had Ocon tapped up?:eek:
 
maxfli65 said:
From video and stills seemed to me like Ocon went for the pass on the earlier corner (not sure why when you've been lapped) nearly got by but Verstappen defended and got to the next corner slightly ahead but not far enough ahead to cut across Ocon like that. Not sure what Ocon could do other than slam the brakes to avoid a collision as he's nowhere to go, no room to evade on his right hand side. Was he supposed to concede position and drop back earlier, is that the correct etiquette? - that's not really racing though.
Verstappen should have stayed wider imo to allow both cars some room on the bend, chose not to so paid for it with a needless loss.
Surprised the stewards penalised Ocon tbh, even if you're way back in a race you can still compete, no?

Would a conspiracy theorist suggest Hamilton/Mercedes had Ocon tapped up?:eek:
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Bit it wasn't really racing, Ocon was 16th and Verstappen 1st and Ocon a lap down, even taking Verstappen he would have still been 16th. So no racing then really.
 
What happened to the blue flags ( think they were blue) that got saved at you when the leader was coming up behind you?
You had to move aside and let him through...doesn't that happen anymore?
 
One of the best things that happened for Lewis was the arrival of Niki Lauda who has helped greatly with his decision making skills... Unfortunately for Max there's no one with a similar skill set at RB...
 
Imurg said:
What happened to the blue flags ( think they were blue) that got saved at you when the leader was coming up behind you?
You had to move aside and let him through...doesn't that happen anymore?
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Max hadn't just caught Ocon. Max had lapped Ocon a while earlier. Ocon pitted, got fresh tyres and was then at that time going faster than Max, so he caught him up, and then attempted to unlap himself. I doubt Ocon particularly cared about the battle with Max, or whether he was lapped, but was more interested in going fast and catching those he was racing for position with whilst he had fresh rubber on his car. Equally, Max was leading by such a margin that a slight hold up with lapped traffic was of no consequence.

As I said before, technically Ocon was in the wrong, but Max had more to lose and less to gain.
 
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