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Tashyboy said:
My lad is telling me that F1 in a couple of years is going to Hanoi in Vietnam. It is a beautiful City in a beautiful country. However. Hanoi is not known for its quality of roads which tells me Mr Hamilton will either be racing in a Tut Tut or a tractor.
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He'll still win...
 
Tashyboy said:
My lad is telling me that F1 in a couple of years is going to Hanoi in Vietnam. It is a beautiful City in a beautiful country. However. Hanoi is not known for its quality of roads which tells me Mr Hamilton will either be racing in a Tut Tut or a tractor.
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I think Jeremy Clarkson suggested they have a racing track built.
 
Congratulations Merc on another clean sweep. But the real talking point today was the Verstappen/Ocon incident. Lewis summed it up perfectly in the cool down room ' he had nothing to lose, you had everything'. Yes Ocon was a bit daft doing that but he was faster at the time and has every right to unlap himself. A better driver than Max would have given him room then got him back later, probably on the same lap. Max is just too hotheaded/petulant for his own good and until he learns to reign that in he will win nothing. As for the pushing match in the garage, I hope the FIA slap him with a ban that was completely out of order, as were Christian Horners comments about Ocon being lucky he got away with just a shove.
 
SaintHacker said:
Congratulations Merc on another clean sweep. But the real talking point today was the Verstappen/Ocon incident. Lewis summed it up perfectly in the cool down room ' he had nothing to lose, you had everything'. Yes Ocon was a bit daft doing that but he was faster at the time and has every right to unlap himself. A better driver than Max would have given him room then got him back later, probably on the same lap. Max is just too hotheaded/petulant for his own good and until he learns to reign that in he will win nothing. As for the pushing match in the garage, I hope the FIA slap him with a ban that was completely out of order, as were Christian Horners comments about Ocon being lucky he got away with just a shove.
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You know i read a lot of rubbish on forums, this one is really a winner.

Lets reverse the roles, Hamilton is leading and needs a win for world championship and Ocon does the same. Yep Hamilton would be cool with it so would have Vettel if he would have needed a win to keep his hopes alive, nope because it's Verstappen people have this totally different attitude.. tunnel vision..

The reality is we had a nobody in 16th position, shoving his way up the inside of the race leader to gain zero race position, he would have still been 16th after doing it. I've watched F1 for the best part of 40 years and it's one of the most dickish moves I have seen in a long time.

It really was pathetic and while I can see Ocon and his boss backing him, why anyone else would is frankly unbelievable. Hence Ocon getting a 10 second stop and go (not even a drive through). We know Ocon has had issues with Verstappen going back to their early years and this definitely looked like Ocon getting his own back, i'd like to see him getting a race ban for the next one.
 
Reemul said:
You know i read a lot of rubbish on forums, this one is really a winner.

Lets reverse the roles, Hamilton is leading and needs a win for world championship and Ocon does the same. Yep Hamilton would be cool with it so would have Vettel if he would have needed a win to keep his hopes alive, nope because it's Verstappen people have this totally different attitude.. tunnel vision..

The reality is we had a nobody in 16th position, shoving his way up the inside of the race leader to gain zero race position, he would have still been 16th after doing it. I've watched F1 for the best part of 40 years and it's one of the most dickish moves I have seen in a long time.

It really was pathetic and while I can see Ocon and his boss backing him, why anyone else would is frankly unbelievable. Hence Ocon getting a 10 second stop and go (not even a drive through). We know Ocon has had issues with Verstappen going back to their early years and this definitely looked like Ocon getting his own back, i'd like to see him getting a race ban for the next one.
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Good points but you'd expect the bosses to back Ocon. It was poor driving but I'd argue that Verstappen should have had the intelligence to be aware of the possibilities if he didn't yield.
 
jobr1850 said:
Max shoving another driver for causing an accident - pot kettle.
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Understand the frustration as the race was there for him to win but having got involved in the incident to then act like that in the pit lane is unprofessional, petulant and poor. Plenty of other drivers have probably had the same feelings towards Verstappen over the years but never resorted to these sort of antics
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Understand the frustration as the race was there for him to win but having got involved in the incident to then act like that in the pit lane is unprofessional, petulant and poor. Plenty of other drivers have probably had the same feelings towards Verstappen over the years but never resorted to these sort of antics
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Senna was an amateur boxer back in the day and Shuey also threw the odd punch or two. A bit of pushing and shoving is very tame by comparison...
 
Reemul said:
You know i read a lot of rubbish on forums, this one is really a winner.

Lets reverse the roles, Hamilton is leading and needs a win for world championship and Ocon does the same. Yep Hamilton would be cool with it so would have Vettel if he would have needed a win to keep his hopes alive, nope because it's Verstappen people have this totally different attitude.. tunnel vision..

The reality is we had a nobody in 16th position, shoving his way up the inside of the race leader to gain zero race position, he would have still been 16th after doing it. I've watched F1 for the best part of 40 years and it's one of the most dickish moves I have seen in a long time.

It really was pathetic and while I can see Ocon and his boss backing him, why anyone else would is frankly unbelievable. Hence Ocon getting a 10 second stop and go (not even a drive through). We know Ocon has had issues with Verstappen going back to their early years and this definitely looked like Ocon getting his own back, i'd like to see him getting a race ban for the next one.
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Ocon didn't "shove it up the inside". He had overtaken Max (as he had every right to do) and Max turned in on him. Watch the replay.
Ocon was in the faster car at the time and had Max not done what he did, Ocon would have disappeared into the distance.
I like Max. But sometimes he's his own worst enemy.
 
Smiffy said:
Ocon didn't "shove it up the inside". He had overtaken Max (as he had every right to do) and Max turned in on him. Watch the replay.
Ocon was in the faster car at the time and had Max not done what he did, Ocon would have disappeared into the distance.
I like Max. But sometimes he's his own worst enemy.
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Completely agree....except the ''I like Max'' bit.
If Max had given him a cars width, he would have won the grand prix

Arrogant, petty and now potentially violent if he doesn't get his own way ..........just like his dad.
What's worrying for me is he thinks he's always right and everyone else is wrong.
 
Only seen the clip on news reports - how far ahead was MV when this happened? Seems he'd only just got past LH...
Seems to me that he didn't need to get back in front of Oncon and could actually have to a bit of a tow if Oncon was a bit faster at the time.
He does come across as hot headed and of he can control that passion he's hitnthe makings of a world beater.
 
Verstappen got it wrong. But that isn't how the stewards see it. As race leader they felt he had right of way. But surely, Verstappen knew there was history between himself and Ocon and should have picked a better place to do his overtake. Verstappen was quicker than Hamilton, and he could have defended from Hamilton behind and picked a better place to overtake.

Yes, Ocon had better tyres, and was quicker in the bends because of that but Verstappen had by far the faster car in a straight line, hence why Ocon had been caught by Hamilton and Verstappen. Stupid by Ocon, and stupid by Verstappen.
 
Hobbit said:
Verstappen got it wrong. But that isn't how the stewards see it. As race leader they felt he had right of way. But surely, Verstappen knew there was history between himself and Ocon and should have picked a better place to do his overtake. Verstappen was quicker than Hamilton, and he could have defended from Hamilton behind and picked a better place to overtake.

Yes, Ocon had better tyres, and was quicker in the bends because of that but Verstappen had by far the faster car in a straight line, hence why Ocon had been caught by Hamilton and Verstappen. Stupid by Ocon, and stupid by Verstappen.
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Verstappen wasn't overtaking anyone, Ocon was the one attempting the overtake. He had just pitted for fresh tyres and was attempting to unlap himself by passing Max around the outside of T1. He never got in front of Max and was rightly punished by the stewards for slamming into the side of the Red Bull on the exit of T2. Ocon drove like a complete tool.

Max wasn't racing Ocon as he was a lap down so tbh should just have let him go. Not sure if his team warned him he was coming or not but Max also drove like a tool by slamming the door shut on the exit of T2 when it really wasn't necessary and cost himself his first ever F1 GP victory.
 
To me, the Max incident comes down to being right and being in one piece.

I believe the rules require Ocon give Max the right of way as he was lapping, hence the steward's decision, however that doesn't mean Max should just assume Ocon will back out of his move.

It's the same as when you are crossing the road, as a pedestrian, you have right of way, but would you step in front of a moving car to assert that right?
 
ger147 said:
Verstappen wasn't overtaking anyone, Ocon was the one attempting the overtake. He had just pitted for fresh tyres and was attempting to unlap himself by passing Max around the outside of T1. He never got in front of Max and was rightly punished by the stewards for slamming into the side of the Red Bull on the exit of T2. Ocon drove like a complete tool.

Max wasn't racing Ocon as he was a lap down so tbh should just have let him go. Not sure if his team warned him he was coming or not but Max also drove like a tool by slamming the door shut on the exit of T2 when it really wasn't necessary and cost himself his first ever F1 GP victory.
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Ocon did get his nose in front of Verstappen as they were entering the bend, and the curve of the bend put Verstappen in front but, equally, only by half a car as Ocon had been. Verstappen turned into Ocon. Ocon would have had to go off the track to give Verstappen room. 6 of 1 and half a doz of the other. I don't disagree with the steward's ruling from the point of view of Verstappen "having the honour" because of race position. Both could have backed off till after the bend. Both stupid.
 
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